TaCa Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I am having some serious issues with my wicks. I am using two Zinc core 51-32-18 in 16 oz apothecary jars. The mouth of the jar is four inches in diameter. I am using IGI 6006 wax. Here is the problem. Some wicks are ashing up and eventually stop burning. The wick does not mushroom but gets a sharp point on the end and they turn white. Once they burn out if you let the wax cool you can light it again but it only burns a few minutes. I have experimented with everything from a new batch of wax a new batch of wicks and it still occurs. I sent several candles to the wick company and they said the wicks were good. The wax rep. said nothing in the wax had changed. The problem has occurred with several different fragrances manufactured by a couple of different fragrance companies. The problem has also occurred with a couple of different colors. I have made thousands of candles with the same setup and until last month I never had a problem. If anyone has had similar problems PLEASE help!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well in the FO it is doing it you are going to have to up your wick size. Not all FO use the same wick size. Some FO even require a different type of wick that is why testing each and every FO, wax and wick combo throughly is so important.I am not sure how you can expect the same wick size to work with all FO. In my experience it doesn't work that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONNAMAC Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I use the 6006 wax also. On most scents I use a 62-52-18 zinc. Only one, and yes it does take time to get a full mp, it usually burns very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaCa Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Well in the FO it is doing it you are going to have to up your wick size. Not all FO use the same wick size. Some FO even require a different type of wick that is why testing each and every FO, wax and wick combo throughly is so important.I am not sure how you can expect the same wick size to work with all FO. In my experience it doesn't work that way.Thanks for trying to help but this setup has been fine for more than 4 years with no problems, as I attempted to point out in the initial post. This is a new problem which indicates somethings has changed. It is not the wick "size". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 TaCa, yes I have heard of that before & it WAS the wicks. To my recollection, it was a bad batch of wicks that Robert at Taylored Concepts had received and they had the same grey ash that yours have. He contacted the wick supplier & they replaced them all, but a lot of candlemakers made candles with the bad wicks, myself included. Robert helped us all thru it. My suggestion, get wicks from another source and test them. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaCa Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 TaCa, yes I have heard of that before & it WAS the wicks. To my recollection, it was a bad batch of wicks that Robert at Taylored Concepts had received and they had the same grey ash that yours have. He contacted the wick supplier & they replaced them all, but a lot of candlemakers made candles with the bad wicks, myself included. Robert helped us all thru it. My suggestion, get wicks from another source and test them. CaroleThat is the type of information I am looking for. So far the two variables that match in the problem is the wax and the wick. This is like conducting a 6th grade science project. I am mixing and matching everything and it all points at the wick. The reason I posted was to find out if anyone else was having problems like this to help narrow it down.Thanks Carole.Anyone else had it happen?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logcabinmomma Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I've had zincs work wonderfully with Joywax, and then get ashy and nasty with a parrafin free soy blend (same batch of wicks)... but that's as close as I get and I don't know how that would help you!-Kristi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillgunter Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Sounds like bad batch of wicks to me too if you have had good results until now. Was this a new batch of wicks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Thanks for trying to help but this setup has been fine for more than 4 years with no problems, as I attempted to point out in the initial post. This is a new problem which indicates somethings has changed. It is not the wick "size".I have experimented with everything from a new batch of wax a new batch of wicks and it still occurs. I sent several candles to the wick company and they said the wicks were good. The wax rep. said nothing in the wax had changed.This is the comment that made me move on from a problem with the wick.Well there is one place you didn't call that is the FO manufacturers. I do know a lot of the FO on the market have had to be reformulated because our nice Federal government force them to quit using an ingredient that was essential to a lot of FOs. So as people start using up the old stuff and start getting the new we are going to see more of these questions. My Cherry Delight is my first one I am just lucky enough to get it from a person that is super honest and called me and warned me in advance of buying it. I threw a quick test on it and yes the wick had changed I had to wick down. It has also pushed me to test each FO as it come in to see if anything has changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaCa Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 My comment about a new batch of wax and a new batch of wicks may be misleading. The wicks were from the same manufacturer and so was the wax. They were just pulled off of a new pallet that I had received and again I had problems.As far as the FO I buy from numerous manufacturers and I have had returns on each fragrance.keep them coming, someone may hit on something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky_CO Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I am grasping at straw now is there any way you wicks may have got wet then dried out. A lot of wick are chemically treated so them getting wet may have done some thing to the treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Put in a 51-36-18 Z and see how it does. I'm surprised you haven't even tried that yet. If it works you may have a nice self-trimming burn.You can't expect the wax to be perfectly consistent. The materials are variable by nature. The typical viscosity of 6006 is stated as 7.2 cSt but the range is from 5.0 to 9.5. That is huge. Definitely more than one size of zinc wick in that range. Maybe 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Top, where can you find a 52-36? I have never seen one? I do use several sizes of the 44 (32/28/24/20.) Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Top, where can you find a 52-36? I have never seen one? I do use several sizes of the 44 (32/28/24/20.) CaroleI got it off a burn rate chart, lol.You have all these little gradations of size in zincs but then you have to search high and low because nobody has them all except for specialty distributors like WU and Wick-It.Usually I get zinc in rolls from Candlewic. Strangely they don't have this size on the website but they have it on e-Bay. I also googled and saw at least one supplier selling assemblies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda (OH) Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Top, where can you find a 52-36? I have never seen one? I do use several sizes of the 44 (32/28/24/20.) CaroleCarole - I use 51-36-18z's and get them from Snow Top. Brenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bugtussle Posted February 11, 2007 Share Posted February 11, 2007 Thanks, Brenda. Had never seen them. Carole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaCa Posted February 11, 2007 Author Share Posted February 11, 2007 I am grasping at straw now is there any way you wicks may have got wet then dried out. A lot of wick are chemically treated so them getting wet may have done some thing to the treatment.Well anything could have happened before I received them but not after. Both batches have had problems. I will be testing tomorrow and I will post my results after. Hopefully a common denominator with show it ugly face I can end this stressfull time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerKay Posted February 12, 2007 Share Posted February 12, 2007 Are the jars from TVG? If not, I won't go into my long explanation. If they are, stay tuned............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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