LJA Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 Wax blends for tarts will be the death of me....For those of you that mix a paraffin pillar wax with a container wax for tarts, are you also adding vybar? For instance, in a case like 1343, it doesn't have additives, but the container wax might - so is it necessary? OR....if the pillar wax you are using does have additives, would you still add more? Do any of you also add soy to a mix like this? I have tried combos til I wanna rip my hair out. I make a mean candle (I feel, anyway) but the throw on melts is very hit and miss. Working with the above waxes/combo now....the latest at a 50/50 ratio. I used WSPs Wildberry Scone and didnt cure it yet (I know...saved some to cure, as well) and it's just meh. Help a girl out before I'm bald. I'll seriously sell one of my children for any tricks, insider knowledge, secrets. I have two, I can part with one. TIA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joym Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use a mix of 1343 and 4786, and do add about 1 tsp of vybar for each # of 1343. (If using a preblend pillar wax, I would not add vybar, unless using a very, very heavy FO.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 17, 2014 Author Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use a mix of 1343 and 4786, and do add about 1 tsp of vybar for each # of 1343. (If using a preblend pillar wax, I would not add vybar, unless using a very, very heavy FO.)Thank you, Joym! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I use a pillar or votive wax blended with a container wax and since both already have additives, I do not add vybar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se2653 Posted February 17, 2014 Share Posted February 17, 2014 I too use pillar wax mixed with container that has additives, no vybar (I already have 2 kids btw so I'm good- you must have either a toddler or teenager? ) I haven't tried 1343 though. Ecosoya PB and Excel mixed together does make a strong melt too in my testing... so many combinations out there too (I took time researching here on the forum and came up with over 20 combinations that people swear by and love)... good luck! Hope you can find a good combo with your 1343... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 You need to remember that if you add too much vybar you will lock out your scent and you will get little to no throw for your tart. If you are not sure if your waxes have additives, treat them like they do, don't add vybar and test. Most of the waxes on the market now have everything you need in them and additives aren't necessary. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 You need to remember that if you add too much vybar you will lock out your scent and you will get little to no throw for your tart. If you are not sure if your waxes have additives, treat them like they do, don't add vybar and test. Most of the waxes on the market now have everything you need in them and additives aren't necessary. Good luck! ACK!! I didnt know that. I was using straight paraffin and a container blend and 1 tsp PPO of vybar. Maybe I'll nix the vybar. In what way does the vybar lock the scent out? Curious. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I do not use vybar. For the most part, I use paraffin combos. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 ACK!! I didnt know that. I was using straight paraffin and a container blend and 1 tsp PPO of vybar. Maybe I'll nix the vybar. In what way does the vybar lock the scent out? Curious. Thank you!I would definitely try testing a few where you minimize the vybar and another time where you eliminate it all together. I am big on testing. Have someone test for you while you are testing and see which is best. Vybar is a polymer, so a plastic. Absolutely Chris is right. Too much and your fragrance will be bound in the wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 ACK!! I didnt know that. I was using straight paraffin and a container blend and 1 tsp PPO of vybar. Maybe I'll nix the vybar. In what way does the vybar lock the scent out? Curious. Thank you!Vybar really only needs to be used to help bind the FO with the wax and only a few grains of vybar is usually necessary. I personally don't think it's a necessary additive with today's waxes and never use it. If I have a FO that won't bind with my wax, then I ditch the FO and I haven't had any FO's like that in over 10 years. There are way too many good FO's out there to bother with one that won't play nice with my wax. When I say it locks out your scent, it means just that.............your FO will leave no scent throw whatsoever, just like an unscented candle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 Vybar really only needs to be used to help bind the FO with the wax and only a few grains of vybar is usually necessary. I personally don't think it's a necessary additive with today's waxes and never use it. If I have a FO that won't bind with my wax, then I ditch the FO and I haven't had any FO's like that in over 10 years. There are way too many good FO's out there to bother with one that won't play nice with my wax. When I say it locks out your scent, it means just that.............your FO will leave no scent throw whatsoever, just like an unscented candle.Thanks for all the great info guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara AL Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Back years ago when I was mixing container and pillar I did more like 60 container 40 pillar the harder the tart the harder it is to get a scent to throw. Most electric tart burners are only 14 watts but with the t-light burners you will get a stronger throw but it won't last as long.I use RE's parasoy tart wax and add about 20-25% more soy to get to lower the melt point and get rid of the dimples in the wax when cooled? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 19, 2014 Author Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think I have the mix pretty decent, Babs. I never liked the KY tart wax much. It was just an ok throw for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coconut Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 LJA, welcome to the board. I use Astrolite V exclusively for tarts and I get one pour with awesome throw. My only additives are scent and color. This wax is a little hard to find but very easy to work with since it comes in little pellets. I have bought it from Connie's Candles in Ohio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJA Posted February 21, 2014 Author Share Posted February 21, 2014 LJA, welcome to the board. I use Astrolite V exclusively for tarts and I get one pour with awesome throw. My only additives are scent and color. This wax is a little hard to find but very easy to work with since it comes in little pellets. I have bought it from Connie's Candles in Ohio.Thank you!~ I just might check that one out too! I appreciate the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megandgarr Posted March 14, 2014 Share Posted March 14, 2014 I strictly use pre-blended waxes so I have never needed to add vybar. I have tried multiple combos but ultimately my favorite blend is a 50/50 blend of 4625/4630. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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