shuntley Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I have been heating my soy wax up to 185 degrees before adding fragrance oil. I am friends with Aztec Candle company(they are in Knoxville TN) on my facebook, and I just read a post where they were telling someone that 185 is way to high and that the highest temp you can use with a soy wax is 155. They then said that Candlescience(where this particular person had received her instructions) gave bad instructions, and that if you heat your wax up to 185, you'll scorch your wax. I'm confused now??!! I know that there are many seasoned soy candle makers out there, so what is your take on this? I don't even want to buy from a company that gives false info, or doesn't know what they are doing. Just curious to see what others think about this? It's difficult enough to perfect soy candles, but it's even more difficult when you get conflicting info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I use a 70/30 soy or parasoy and it heats to 200 degrees in the turkey fryer without a problem. I typically pour at 185 degrees and its no problem. But that is not a straight soy so maybe they have the right of it but seems like CS would know their way around soy kwim? I keep the wax in my pour pot on a burner at 190 degrees and again with no problem. If heating your wax to 185 has produced poor results, then turn down the temp. Lots of opinions out their but actual application trumps opinion IMHO. HTHSteve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefmom Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I also work with a parasoy, but I have been playing with straight 464. I have spent 3 years reading almost daily about candles, doing searches, reading, taking notes, and then putting everything aside to actually make candles.I don't know Aztec, and I haven't really read anything on their site about pour temps etc. I do know that many soy people pour at a wide range of temps and have a variety of cooling techniques. It really comes down to your indoor temps and what works for you, where you work and live.However, I do know that in my pouring the only times that I had fragrance oil seep out of the candles, or sink to the bottom, is when I was a little sloppy with taking my initial temperatures and I added the fragrance at the wrong temp. I have always read to heat the wax to a higher temperature, then add fragrance in the 180-185* range and then stir and cool to the pouring temperature.What works for one person may not for the next. Since we all live in places with different temperatures, different altitudes and different humidity levels it may take tweeking to the process. In my opinion I don't think my heavy vanilla fragrances would EVER mix into any wax at 150*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 I use 415 & sometimes the temp accidently goes way high, nothing bad has happened yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franu61 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I heat my EL soy to 185. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie353 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 With 415 I heat to 185 and never had a problem.I see more of a problem not getting wax hot enough to incorporate the FO properly. Also, I would trust CS directions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 With 415 I heat to 185 and never had a problem.I see more of a problem not getting wax hot enough to incorporate the FO properly. Also, I would trust CS directions.Ditto this especially if those 2 suppliers were the choices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I routinely heat soy wax to 185 with no ill effects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) :pCan you explain why?Ditto this especially if those 2 suppliers were the choices... Edited April 27, 2013 by ChandlerWicks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I heat my soy wax to around 200. Never had that issue before. I would also trust CS instructions if I was making my first tarts or candles. HTH :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 I went to the Facebook page to read the comments myself before posting.I would follow the manufacturer's instructions and listen to the advice of the VERY wise makers here. I am not a fan of suppliers who provide misinformation nor share publicly that another supplier's information is bad. There are better ways to have said what was trying to be said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Is this an employee of the company giving this information or a customer of theirs? I'm not on Facebook so I can see it for myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Is this an employee of the company giving this information or a customer of theirs? I'm not on Facebook so I can see it for myself.The replies are posted as from the page owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest OldGlory Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Karen, can you copy and paste this into a pm for me pls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) :pCan you explain why?Ya really want me to? lol!! :lipsrseal*dead horse*Okay, wth. They say to only heat Glassglow to 155°...... Edited April 28, 2013 by Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Ar, Ar, Ar, Ar!Ya really want me to? lol!! :lipsrseal*dead horse* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie353 Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 Okay, wth. They say to only heat Glassglow to 155°...... No! Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuntley Posted April 29, 2013 Author Share Posted April 29, 2013 Thanks for all the wonderful comments! I too feel like CS is a trustworthy company, with correct instructions. I don't know that I will be supporting the Aztec company any longer. I felt their info is incorrect, and they handled their response unprofessionally. I have been heating my Soy wax up to 185 for the last several months, with great results! Thanks for your responses, and wise words! I love this forum :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilyspoppy Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 No desire to stray off the subject, but I remember reading a post on the board that a member was sometimes upset because Aztec would "substitute" another FO of their choice if they were out of stock on one that they ordered. That would have been enough for me, if that's true. I'm not sure if it is factual, though, and it may have just been a sample(s) that was out of stock. The comment did get my attention, however. I've never ordered from Aztec, and after reading this thread abd the other posting, I doubt that I will. I have high regards for Candlescience, though.JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justjasen Posted May 1, 2013 Share Posted May 1, 2013 I heat my 464 to 185 and add FO/Dye and my candles turn out great. Not sure where Aztec got their information from, but uhm yeah I would go by the manufacturer instructions which for 464 state... to heat to 185 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beth Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Wow, I just now read the FB post that OP was referring to...... sounds familiar, lol. I remember when I suggested they change their instructions to match what IGI says....... & he promptly & not so nicely told me where I could go & what I could do. At least that got my supplier list shorter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie353 Posted May 3, 2013 Share Posted May 3, 2013 Wow, I just now read the FB post that OP was referring to...... sounds familiar, lol. I remember when I suggested they change their instructions to match what IGI says....... & he promptly & not so nicely told me where I could go & what I could do. At least that got my supplier list shorter Guess I don't need that Iced Lemon Cookie in my line after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Same here; after the crap that happened to Beth, I "closed the books" on Aztec, permanently. :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackbenimble Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Did anyone try their Vanilla Bean Noel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craftsbychris Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 I also use 464 heating to 185. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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