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How well do these throw in soy? I use Calsoy CB-3 (soy/vegi blend). I currently use The Scented Bean's Vanilla Dreams and Just Scent's Vanilla of Pearl and they both have a great scent throw in the CB-3. I would also like to have a straight vanilla scent. Is Peak's French Vanilla more of a straight vanilla scent? Thanks!

Looking for a great throwing and nice smelling peppermint. I use Calsoy CB-3 (soy/vegi blend). Thanks!

Hi Jeana, I live in WA and order my wax from Swans. I have tested the Calwax CB-30 (paraffin/soy blend). It is an excellent wax, but it ended up not working right in my jars. It has a great cold and hot throw. It has been a while since I used it so I can't specifically remember the quirks I had with it in my jars. I believe I had trouble wicking it. If I wicked down I would get weak flames and if I wicked up I would get some soot. However, it did not soot as much as some of the paraffin blends from other manufacturers. My jars are soot collectors and if there is any soot at all they will catch it. I now use the Calsoy (Calwax) CB-3 and love it. It has some quirks (common soy quirks) too but burns clean and has an awesome hot and cold throw. So far out of the other soys I have tested (Cargill C-3, Ecosoya 120, Ecosoya 135), Calsoy CB-3 has a better scent throw. If you use the Universal Additive you will get really smooth tops. I think Calwax has great wax. You might want to give them a try. Also, Pete has great customer service! ~Holly

Hi, I use Calsoy CB-3 and I have also used Naturewax C-3. I always double wick my tureens. I usually can use two RRD-37's or 34's and sometimes two RRD-40's -- depending on the fragrance and how much fragrance. I actually just poured a C-3 candle tonight in the tureen to see if I can get a scent throw with a pumpkin scent as well as I get with the CB-3 Calsoy. I may need to use the C-3 soy in these very large pumpkin jars I got instead of the CB-3 Calsoy. The C-3 soy tends to burn faster than the Calsoy CB-3 -- for me in my jars anyway. I put in two RRD-40's (guessed at this) in the C-3 tureen with the pumpkin scent. I will test it soon. ~Holly

Thanks Dixie, I may go ahead and give it a try in the soy that I use (Calsoy CB-3). If it does not throw real well, and I like the scent and just have to have it, I will order another sample and try it in paraffin.

Hi, I have tested the Iced Cin. Roll and the throw was REALLY strong and a nice scent, but I am not sure if it is exactly what I am looking for. How does it compare to The Scented Bean's Heavenly Cin. Buns? I have heard really good reviews on that one. I also like Peaks Cin. Buns but have only tested it in paraffin. The Scented Bean's seems to have a stronger throw in my wax. I am going to test a couple more and then decide. Thanks in advance. ~Holly

Hi, I have one sample of this and can't decide whether to test it in my paraffin or soy. I would prefer to test it in soy, but I did a search and only found two posts regarding scent throw in soy. Someone talked about not getting a good throw in their Ecosoya CB and someone else said they could not get it to throw in soy (did not state which soy). Has anyone had success with this fragrance in soy? Thanks in advance. ~Holly

Hi Vicki, I use the Calsoy CB-3 too. It is a great soy wax -- GREAT cold and hot throw, easy to wick and burns slow. I use the universal additive. I did not use the CB-3 without it long enough to know for sure if you will have to wick up or not. But I do know, it really helps with the tops. The tops will be real smooth (for a soy) with the UA. However, I can get slight dips which will create a hairline circular crack. You may not get this problem. I believe it depends on the type of jars. Some others on here that use this wax do not get the dips and hairline cracking. I believe their jars are shallower than mine. I should say though that the dips and hairline cracking happens more with my test candles that I make without the wicks. Not sure why this is. Maybe the wick supports the wax when setting up. Even though I can get the dips and fine cracking and have to use the heat gun, I can still get the tops to be smoother than if I did not use the UA at all. I can also get frosting with certain oils and dyes, but I can live with that. I just bought some of the new dyes that are out called "Pryme" and just poured a candle tonight with it. I poured Country Grove with the brown dye which I get the most frosting with. I can't wait to see how it sets up. Maybe someone else on here can advise you better on whether you may have to wick up or not with the UA vs. not using the UA. I don't believe you will. I use 1 tablespoon of the UA per 1 pound of wax. I have not used Beeswax with soy, but I believe it helps with the tops and with frosting. HTH ~Holly

When a person uses the term sinkhole is that the same thing as when someone uses the term airpocket? If not, what is the difference? I would think that if there is a difference, a sinkhole would be a visible hole from the surface and an airpocket would be a pocket of air under the surface. If this is the case, the airpocket, once the candle starts to burn, will become a sinkhole. I am not really sure what the difference is. I have never gotten a "visible" sinkhole from the surface. The only thing that I have recently gotten is a sinkhole/airpocket that will appear after it starts to burn. I only had this happen one time with my test candles that I poked the wicks in but had it happen more when the wax was poured into the container with the wicks already adhered to the bottom of the container. If you can't see the holes from the surface before the initial burn, how do you know where and if relief holes need to be poked? Thanks in advance.

Hi Ebarnes, Yep, that seems to be the case for me too no matter what wax I use and I know that I am not alone on this. However, there have been a few that I can get away with 6-7 percent. Why is it that many say they have GREAT throws at 5-6 percent and even less sometimes, and I am using the same high quality oils and in a good scent throwing wax (tried a lot of the same waxes they all have tried) but I still end up having to use at least 8-9 percent? :undecided I may be able to get by with less with some of the more expensive companies like Wick Your Wax or Wholesale Suppy Plus. I have tried a few from WSP but did not notice a BIG difference. Maybe we are all comparing it differently (to different strength candles that we all burned before we started making them) or maybe what is strong to one may not be strong to another. As far as I know, my nose is up to par.

Hi, See my reply above on this thread. HTH ~Holly

Just Scent's Cranberry Sauce is VERY GOOD and has a great throw in both paraffin and soy.

The Scented Bean oils are AWESOME! So far, this is what is working for me in Calsoy CB-3: Sage & Citrus Carmelized Pear Rose (wonderful rose) Vanilla Dreams (love this one and has a good throw for a vanilla) Cinnamon Stick Sweet Serendipity Gingerbread I may be forgetting some here. In paraffin: Almond Bicotti (STRONG -- have to cut down on the percentage on this one) I am sure this would will do well in soy too. I have many more that I have not tested yet. You can't go wrong with the Scented Bean! ~Holly

Wick your Wax: http://www.wickyourwax.com/ Bittercreek North also carries some of their oils. ~Holly

Hi High, I meant to get back to my thread on the pumpkin scent that I started a while ago to post what I finally settled on but then I got so busy with things -- not a lot of time for the computer these days. Anyway, I have tried many and many of them had a wonderful smell out of the bottle and in the wax cold, but it was the hot throw that I had trouble with. I finally got a good throw with The Scented Bean's Pumpkin Spice. I just bought some samples off of another candlemaker nearby me who is moving out of state and she had Wholesale Supply Plus' Perfect Pumpkin. It smelled great out of the bottle so I just had to buy it and try it. It has a good hot throw. It may have a little less spice and a little more vanilla. Now I want to try WYW that Henry is talking about. :rolleyes2 He mentioned one on my thread but now I can't remember which one he was talking about. I will have to look. For some reason it is hard to get an AWESOME throw with pumpkin and a lot of searching needs to be done. I find that many have trouble getting a great throw with pumpkin. At least I finally found a couple. lol I have not tested a straight Oatmeal Cookie but I tested an Oatmeal Raisin Cookie from Creative Candle Supply. It smells awesome out of the bottle and very good in wax too. I did not get a really good throw with it in my soy (may need to test it again), but I bet it will do great in paraffin. It smells like the real thing. Good luck on your pumpkin and oatmeal cookie search. At least you are only down to two more scents. That is great! ~Holly

Hi, So far, I have also noticed that they seem to be throwing at a high percentage in the soy that I use (Calsoy CB-3). Here are the ones so far, and I have not tested many in the soy -- mostly in paraffin: Creme Brulee Green Tea Sugar Plum Berries Fresh Linen Blackberry Tea Peppermint Kiss Wild Raspberry (may not be quite as strong as the above but stonger than I thought it would be) I know I am forgetting some. I need to test the Juniper Breeze again because I only tested that one in a small tin and it is not a good test for a large room or rooms. I have many more that I need to test in soy that I had already tested in paraffin and was a success. I could not get a good enough throw for me with the following: Mandarin Plum (need to retest this though) Country Garden Peaks does have great oils. ~Holly

I have never tried red. But, before I actually got a sage green liquid dye I used to use green (not dark) and a snidge of black. HTH

Hi Molly, Thanks. Yes, the stearic that I have is 100% veggie. ~Holly

Hi TopofMurrayHill, Yes, I sure did find that the powder dye is a pain in the butt. It did the same thing on me as the chips would do at times -- leave little condensed dye spots -- mainly at the bottom. I have used liquid dyes for awhile now. I did not mix it in stearic because at the time I did not know if I wanted to use steric in my wax. I will look into those soy crystals too. Thanks for the info. As for the stearic, I like you, do not like to use any addtional additives unless it is going to do something for it. I may still need to test it in my normal size jars so I can tell if it will help the sinkholes/airpockets. My shallow tureens may not be as inclined to get the sinkholes/airpockets. I will sure be glad when I get all the kinks out. The testing is a long process. Again, thanks for your help. Your ideas/suggestions/comments always make a lot of sense. :smiley2: ~Holly

Thanks TopofMurrayhill and Ellie, Sorry it took so long to get back to this. It has been crazy around here. I do use an vegi additive that is to help frosting and to help to achieve smooth tops. Would it be ok to add the stearic too? I assume that the vegi additive is completely different from stearic. I will give the stearic acid a try. I am testing out a brown powered dye to see if it will frost less than the brown liquid dye and it recommended to melt it in stearic ahead of time. I did not know at the time if it would be a good thing to add to my wax and what it would do or change, but now that I know what it does and what it can help, it would work out fine. If I continue to have trouble with airpockets then I will just poke relief holes in all my candles to be on the safe side. Thanks again for your help. ~Holly

Hi, I have had some trouble with dips (with a hairline circular crack -- about 2" in diameter) but not with every candle. This happens mainly with my testers without the wicks then when I pour the wax in a candle with wicks adhered to the bottom. I always take the heat gun to smooth out the top of the testers with the dip and circular hairline crack. When I have to do this the top will not be as smooth as when I do not have to do this. I don't mind this so much. Today, I poked two holes (MODIFIED TO ADD) ---> "for the wicks" after I took the heat gun to the top and after it set back up. I then zapped the top again to seal the wax around the wick. I waited for it to set. After I lit it and it burned for a bit, I then noticed that one wick was leaning and was way too long. This is the first time this has happened to me. It appears that there was an air pocket underneath. My question is, if this air pocket is not visible to the eye when the candle has not been burned yet, how does one know if a relief hole needs to be poked? Since this candle did have the dip and very FINE hairline circular crack, I could have poked a hole because I had to zap it anyway. But, how do I know if one of these holes are not underneath a nice and smooth top? I prefer not to mess with the tops if they are smooth because if I do the tops do not look as good. But, sinkhole surprises are not a good thing for customers. I know what to do with them but they will not and will consider the candle defective. Should I poke relief holes with all my candles? I look forward to any suggestions. Thanks. ~Holly

Hi again, Thanks for the response. :smiley2: I find that certain colors give me more frosting. However, it also appears to be the combination of color and FO added. I have the most trouble with brown, red and dark blues and purples. When I make light colored candles they always appear to have very little to no frosting. This soy wax does have a GREAT hot and cold throw. Do you double wick in your jars too? I get nore residue when I am in the process of wick testing because I am switching wicks. So the first one may not be strong enough and it leaves a residue and then I put another one in -- so on an so forth. I notice that when I finalize the wick and burn it all the way through, it helps the residue. I get the little "rain drops" too. How much FO do you normally use -- on the average? Thanks for the FO list. I forgot to mention that Blueberry Verbena from Bubbles N Lights also throws well in the CB-3. Yes, I have tried some fragrance oils from Swan's but I mainly tested them in my paraffin. He has some good ones. I have only tested Freesia in the Calsoy and I did not get a real good throw with that one. That one is a lighter one in paraffin too. I have a few that I need to test in the soy. I made five candles last night and I got more frosting on some of them than I like. Do you heat your jars? Last night I forgot (my mom called) a couple of times to pull my jars out of the oven so a few may have been a little warmer than normal when I poured. I tried to cool them down quickly but they still felt a little warmer. This may have been a factor with the frosting. I am going to test pouring when they are just a slight bit warm and see if that makes a difference. I pour at 130 usually, depending on the FO used -- sometimes close to 125. Thanks again for responding back. ~Holly :smiley2:

Hi Lisa, I have not tested it a whole lot, but it burns great and it frosts less than my current soy wax. But, these are my results and I know it can be different for others. I am not real sure on the throw yet. It must have not been REALLY GREAT or I would have continued to test it without delay. It had a better cold throw than the Ecosoyas in my opinion and the hot throw with a couple of the FO's I tested was pretty good, but I still think that the Calsoy has a better hot throw. To me Calsoy CB-3 has a great scent throw -- not with all oils but with a high percentage of the ones I have tested. I would have to test the C-3 more to know for sure. When working with soy you have to fine the right oils to throw in it. I find that when they throw well, it is GREAT! _____________ Hey Terrie, You crack me up. I know the feeling "I wonder.....if it may even be better than what I am using." lol I am getting much better at resisting. ~Holly

Hi Lvnmt, I have some time finally. I too use the all vegetable additive from soysolutions in the Calsoy CB-3. I love this wax too. I think it has a GREAT cold and hot throw. It does frost a little more than I would like. However, this can be different for different people depending on how much dye and FO used and some other factors. I find it easy to wick too. It is a very slow burning soy which is a good thing since I like to double wick. I am sure these are the things you like about this wax too. I get smooth tops most of the time with the additive -- if I don't have to take the heat gun to the top for any reason. I do tend to get a little bit of residue on the sides after burning. My jars are the fairly thick kind of glass (does not get as hot) so this is the only other negative for me -- residue on sides. I don't get "hang-up" but I get a little more residue on the sides than I do with my paraffin or other waxes that I have tried. I have not tested this wax in the tins a whole lot yet, but have tested a couple. I too found that two RRD's work the best in the large tins. I could never get a full meltpool with just one wick. The size depends on the oil used. I don't have any better ideas in the wick dept. for the tins. I find that I prefer this soy wax alone with the vegetable modifier. I have not used the BW with it yet but I am sure that would be good too. I did combine it with the Harmony paraffin blend and found I did not like that combination at all. I have also added some of the Calwax CB-30 and found it to work pretty well, but like it just as well without it. I have thought about trying a little Calwax CB-2 to see if that would help a bit with the frosting, but decided I like the idea of no paraffin mixed in. This wax is close to me too (I am on the east side of WA and I can order it from the west side). I can order it one day and get it the next. Now for the scents. I have found many to throw wonderful in this wax. Of course there are some duds too (duds in this soy). If there is a scent that I absolutely cannot live without, I use it in my paraffin (which will usually throw well). I found these from Peaks to work real well so far in the Calsoy: Creme Brulee Fresh Linen Green Tea Sugar Plum Berries Blackberry Tea I know that there will be more, but I have not tested them all yet in soy -- mostly in paraffin. Here are some other good ones that throw well in this soy: Rose (The Scented Bean) Vanilla of Pearl (Just Scent) Vanilla Dreams (The Scented Bean) Chestnuts and Brown Sugar (Just By Nature) Eucalyptus & Spearmint (Bubbles N Lights) Rosemary & Spearmint (Bubbles N Lights) Lavender Vanilla (Just Scent) Sage and Citrus (The Scented Bean) Persimmon Spice (Bubbles N Light) Country Grove (Snowtop) Orange Chiffon Cake (Snowtop) Blueberry Muffin (Snowtop) Sweet Serenipity (The Scented Bean) Spring Morning Dew (Just By Nature) Citrus & Teakwood (Just By Nature) Coconut Lime Verbena (Just By Nature) Baked Apple Pie (The Scented Bean) Comfy Cabin (Creative Candle Supply) Mulled Cider (Alabaster) There are some more but can't think of all of them right now. These are the ones that I know for sure so far. I hope this helped a bit. :smiley2: Keep us posted on how your testing goes. ~Holly

Hi Lvn, I use this wax too. I was going to respond the other day, but have not had time to respond to much on here. I can't stay long at the computer right now either. I will try to get back with you later today. I just checked my email and had a quick look on here but have to go. I should have some down time later -- tonight. :smiley2: