There are also a few different types of beads. I started getting mine from BCN and found a local supplier who carried them and I wouldn't have to pay shipping, so I got some from them. They were not the same. BCN's are more round or even cylinder type and the other ones were like oval balls. The ones from BCN make the kind of ornies that are bumpy like they should be IMO and the others melted flat no matter what temp and amount of time they were in the oven. I know JC's isn't in business anymore, (that is where I got the other ones from), but they were told by their supplier there is only one manufacturer. Clearly that is not true. This may be what some of the problem is. Just thought you should know.