candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) What wax type IGI 4636 (J50)What Wick types you have tried -Zinc 51-32-18 6"What FO Secret Waterfall, Cedar, Vanilla Bean, Grandpa's Garden, Apple Cinnamon, Fudge Brownie, Apple Creek (different wax wont use again), Berry Breeze (different wax wont use again)What % FO 1oz/LBWhat size candle - 6.5oz hex jarWhat additives are you using None Edited September 10, 2012 by candlesbyadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChandlerWicks Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The links also have some great info. I didn't write any of the above questions, they are just so you know what info to give when you ask a question. But you answered perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 It's best to include the diameter of the container too.So, the one you were testing - is the jar hot? How's the hot throw? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 It's best to include the diameter of the container too.So, the one you were testing - is the jar hot? How's the hot throw?The jar is a little warm/hot to the touch. the throw was good.Here is my jar info:Classic Jar 6.5oz Height: 3.375"Base Diameter: 2.625" Widest Diameter: 2.625"Top Diameter: 2.625"Wax Capacity (to fill line): 5.2 ozWax Capacity (Overflow): 6.4 oz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 JMHO - but, I think you need to start a test with a full jar. At that diameter, burn it for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours for the first burn. Then post your results. While the info you gave on the jar you were testing seemed to be within range, you can't really tell how the end of a candle will burn without burning the top part off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) JMHO - but, I think you need to start a test with a full jar. At that diameter, burn it for about 2 1/2 to 3 hours for the first burn. Then post your results. While the info you gave on the jar you were testing seemed to be within range, you can't really tell how the end of a candle will burn without burning the top part off.What does JMHO mean?It is currently 10:42a here. At 11a I will start a full size candle. I will try to post pix. Edited September 10, 2012 by candlesbyadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Just My Humble Opinion look forward to seeing the pics.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) Just My Humble Opinion look forward to seeing the pics..ksranch,Again I'm sorry for the way I came off yesterday. I just recently lost my job last week and I spent part of my last check on supplies with HIGH HOPES that I would be able to sell them, make some kind of money then buy more supplies. To be honest, I did very little research and I figured that by buying a kit everything should work out fine. Then posting on here and getting "Chewed out" by some (not all) it just wasn't a good combo. I have since took down my site and Facebook page. I hope I can find a job soon so I can continue. I will work on testing Every scent. I really appreciate your feedback and your help. I guess thats why it says im a "Wax Drip" under my username. lol Edited September 10, 2012 by candlesbyadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Not to worry (and btw, we were all Wax Drips once upon a time). The reason it came off wrong was because as you are learning now, there is so much more to making candles than one thinks. Safety is the main concern, and why when experienced candle makers hear that someone with a kit is going to sell what they made, it is upsetting. Think about it, if you sold one and it was faulty and burned someone's house down.. well, enough said. We are just glad to see you are now willing to learn the ropes, and do the testing before taking any chances. While you are testing, you can use the time to do research. About not only making candles, but licensing and insurance. Hope things look up for you soon job wise, it is a very bad time for many right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) FIRST OFFICIAL TEST BURN!What wax type IGI 4636 (J50)What Wick types you have tried -Zinc 51-32-18 6"What FO Apple CinnamonWhat % FO 1oz/LBWhat size candle - 6.5oz hex jarWhat additives are you using None Classic Jar 6.5oz Height: 3.375"Base Diameter: 2.625" Widest Diameter: 2.625"Top Diameter: 2.625"Wax Capacity (to fill line): 5.2 ozWax Capacity (Overflow): 6.4 ozCandle was lit at 11am EST, Pic are of the candle before I lit it.30 min Update: I left the house shortly after I lit the candle in my room (Somebody was home). when I came back I could smell the Apple Cinnamon as soon as I walked in the door on the opposite side of the house from my bedroom. Edited September 10, 2012 by candlesbyadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Pictures after 1 hour burn time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Yikes! That wick is toooo big for that jar! You shouldn't have that melt pool from one hour on the first burn. (IMO)I can't PM (private msg) you because you are too new - is there an email addy I can email you - I could send you a bit of the zinc 44 size to try in this jar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 (edited) The wick is what came with the kit. Edited September 10, 2012 by candlesbyadam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 The wick is what came with the kit.Understood. But, unfortunately, there isn't one size fits all. Example, using my system (conditions; altitude,humidity, etc plus my "way" of doing things; wax temp, pour temp, etc) a LX 12 might work well - but it by no means it will work the same for you. The more you read on this board, the more examples of this you will find. There a couple members that are often testing a different wax/wick combination and even though two of them are using the same "ingrediants" they get different results...With that melt pool that early - that jar is going to be way too hot to be safe... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 what does the numbers mean on wicks?I have 51-32-18. so what do each of those number mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 This is the best place to start learning about wicks (ROC, flame size, etc)http://www1.stimpson.com/~stimpson/WicksUnlimited.pdfYou did trim your wick to about 1/4" before you lit it, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 This is the best place to start learning about wicks (ROC, flame size, etc)http://www1.stimpson.com/~stimpson/WicksUnlimited.pdfYou did trim your wick to about 1/4" before you lit it, right?um....I clipped it to the top of the rim. after it cooled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 So I posted under "Business side of things" and I got replies that I need to do testing. Ive searched the forum but nothing looked useful to me and i'm not going to spend all day and night searching (sorry Beth). SO can somebody PLEASE tell me about this "testing". I've burned some candles that i've made and they seem fine. What do I need to look for? How long do I need to test/burn it? How do I know what needs changed? How do I know if I have the "PERFECT" mix? I'm 10000% need at this and i'm clueless. I don't have all the time in the world to search and read through these.Somebody PLEASE helpROFL, sorry Adam but your post made me LOL. Like everything else in life, there are no shortcuts to candle making. It is an expensive hobby and there is no way to by pass research, development or testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 um....I clipped it to the top of the rim. after it cooled.This is probably the issue then. Once it cools completely from the burn you just did - clip the wick to 1/4". Then, watch the difference in your burn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 ROFL, sorry Adam but your post made me LOL. Like everything else in life, there are no shortcuts to candle making. It is an expensive hobby and there is no way to by pass research, development or testing.Yeah i found that out. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 Check out this website, you'll find help with a little bit of everything there. Take advantage of the printable spreadsheets, these have been a life saver for me. http://candlecauldron.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 Check out this website, you'll find help with a little bit of everything there. Take advantage of the printable spreadsheets, these have been a life saver for me. http://candlecauldron.com/Thank you I Will look into it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseScentS Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 When you're test burning your candles, make sure they're in the same room as the person who is watching them. Have a pot lid or flat metal baking sheet ready to smother the candle if it catches on fire. Never try to extinguish with water or a big explosion will happen. A fire extinguisher that works for grease fires is good to keep on hand, or a big box of baking soda or corn starch, in case you don't use a flat pan or pot lid. I'm surprised you could smell the HT (hot throw) from that far away with just 1 oz of FF p.p. of wax. That's good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candlesbyadam Posted September 10, 2012 Author Share Posted September 10, 2012 When you're test burning your candles, make sure they're in the same room as the person who is watching them. Have a pot lid or flat metal baking sheet ready to smother the candle if it catches on fire. Never try to extinguish with water or a big explosion will happen. A fire extinguisher that works for grease fires is good to keep on hand, or a big box of baking soda or corn starch, in case you don't use a flat pan or pot lid. I'm surprised you could smell the HT (hot throw) from that far away with just 1 oz of FF p.p. of wax. That's good!dont know what FF and p.p. means. but the MP was bad....From what ive been told Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorseScentS Posted September 10, 2012 Share Posted September 10, 2012 dont know what FF and p.p. means. but the MP was bad....From what ive been toldGeez, did I type "FF"? What was I thinking! That was a typo. HT = hot throw, CT = cold throw, p.p. = per pound, FO = fragrance oil, and you're right, your MP was ridiculously huge and deep after only 1 hour! But, I bet it's because you didn't trim the wick to 1/4" before starting your test. You'll probably find that with some FO and dye combos the 51z (51 zinc wick) works perfect, and for other FO and dye combos you'll need to wick down to a 44z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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