Ecosoya PB & what else?

[megandgarr]

Hi,

I have primarily been making my tarts with paraffin (pillar/container blend) for the last year plus, but I have never been fully satisfied with the longevity of them. I have yet to reach the 14 hour mark that many have been able to achieve. I am only a hobbyist, but I still want them to be great since I make them as gifts.

After plenty of research I decided to try a different wax. I know I want to try ecosoya PB, but I want to blend it with a bit of container blend (no preference of soy over paraffin) but I can not decide if I want to blend with ecosoya 135, 415, 4630 or possibly 6006. For those of you that make tarts with ecosoya PB, do you add a container blend, and if so, any recommendations? I make free standing tarts in silicone molds, and I dont mind freezing them to get them out of the molds or the electric warmer dish. I am mainly looking for the best hot throw possible - frosting, dimples, etc are not a big concern. I use FO's from Peaks, CS, JS, NG & The Candle Source.

Any input would be great, thanks.

[TallTayl]

I've been very pleased blending Ecosoya PB with 464.

I get sick of the fragrance before the melt is exhausted of fragrance.

[singleyellowrose]

I've been having good luck with PB & 6006. I too get sick of the smell before the scent is gone.

[ProudMarineMom]

I use a PB & 464 blend with a little 4630. Works well for me.

[tam1116]

Is their a reason why you have to add another wax to PB????

[SuzyK]

I know some don't mix PB with anything. I don't get as good of a scent throw with just PB. I add Xcel to mine and love it. Some scents last longer than others but I think that is with any wax.

[megandgarr]

Not all, but several of the reviews by PB users indicated that if they used it by itself it was brittle and chipped or cracked. I wanted to add about 25% container blend to make it just a bit creamier.

Suzy, I was looking into the Xcel but I shied away from it mostly because there werent as many people that have posted positive reviews of it compared to some of the other waxes (415, 464, 135, etc). I might consider the Xcel as well though. It sounds like you are having great luck with your tarts.

Proudmarinemom, do you find the 464 is similar to 415? I already have the 415 but I have never tried 464.

Thanks all and any additional input is welcome.

[moonshine]

I use PB and 135 primarily- I have tried the 464 but they ended up frosting real bad on me after a couple of months- powdered sugar looking and I cant stand that look in a melt

I have been making them with PB and 415 for the past couple of weeks but again I am not in love with the looks of them and I have yet to test the scent throw of them against the 135

PB alone does not cut it for me for HT- it most definitely makes a difference for me adding a container wax- I use more container than PB and in votives I use more PB than container

[ProudMarineMom]

Proudmarinemom, do you find the 464 is similar to 415? I already have the 415 but I have never tried 464.

When I tested 415 I liked the HT of the wax but not the appearance, always looked like mashed potates for me. So, switched to 464 and have stayed with that. It looks creamy and I can get nice tops. Plus, it does have a higher pour temp, which works for impatient me.

Since you are going to be blending 415 with PB, it might smooth out the wax. I'd give it a try on a test batch, see what you end up with. Then if you want to try 464 Aztec sells 5 lb samples and I think Candlemakers may still do 1 lb. Heck, I could probably send you a pound or two if you want to try it.

Moonshine, the frosting issue is why I started to add a little 4630. I don't like the look either in melts. So, just a little bit of that and I can use dark colors and get some nice, smooth melts. And, they don't morph on me after a while.

Edited February 4, 2012 by ProudMarineMom

[megandgarr]

Then if you want to try 464 Aztec sells 5 lb samples and I think Candlemakers may still do 1 lb. Heck, I could probably send you a pound or two if you want to try it.

I really appreciate the offer. I might take you up on that at some point. For now I think I am going to try a blend of ecosoya PB & 4630 since it will allow for deeper colors, plus I really like the throw of the 4630. Maybe that will be a good combination (although I dont like the idea of the longer cure time required with the ecosoya). I might even try a blend of PB, 4630 & 415 to see how that does.

Thanks!

[ProudMarineMom]

I'm thinking you'll probably be happy with the last combination, 415 did have a good HT. You'll just need to play around with percentages to find what you like.

[msalex28a]

So candlescience recommened 6006 and I bought it. I hated it. I couldn't get the wax out of my clamshells. Is there a paraffin wax that is good for clamshells. I did use the PB before but I agree about the brittleness and now agree about hot throw.