Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I am using cb135A (ecosoya advanced). I keep having problems with drowning wicks. I am using the eco brand wicks. My candles will start burning fine and start drowning after a few hours or on my 2nd burn. What can be causing this? I have tried different jars and I still get the drowning wicks. I would appreciate any help I can get. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristinesShower Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 What kind of coloring are you using? How bout your FO/EO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 No dyes and 1 oz of FO per pound. It usually happens half way down the candle. I am getting so frustrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Have you tried wicking up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 Do you think that may be the problem? I am starting to think that these eco wicks run small....I mean really small! I have run out of sizes for a 4 inch container, even the eco14 (the largest size available) are too small for it. I am stumped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsyjen Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Wow, I use the ECO 14's for my 16oz container candles and that's actually too big for them. I get a melt pool that's an inch deep!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 I get a great pool at first. As the candle burns down (1/2 way through) the flame starts getting weaker and weaker and wick starts to drown. The wax seems to overpower the wick. And like I stated earlier the eco14 isn't holding up in a 4 x 5 container. I am soooo stuck here. I've tried no dye no fo...nothing helps. I wonder if I am burn testing too soon. I wait approx 20 hours. Is it imparative that I wait 24 to 48 hours? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Do you think that may be the problem? I am starting to think that these eco wicks run small....I mean really small! I have run out of sizes for a 4 inch container, even the eco14 (the largest size available) are too small for it. I am stumped!ECO 14 is plenty big, but I'm not sure you're going to be able to single wick a 4" container with CB-135. Maybe you should consider 2 much smaller wicks.Oh sorry, I just realized you're talking about CB-Advanced. That's a little easier. See what happens with an ECO 12. Maybe the 14 is tunneling down before it can make a wide enough melt pool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Wow, I use the ECO 14's for my 16oz container candles and that's actually too big for them. I get a melt pool that's an inch deep!!What sort of container is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 I will try double wicking and also try wicking down.....Thank you SOOOOO mUch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gypsyjen Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 What sort of container is that?Hey Top,It's a 16oz apothecary that's 4" diameter X 3.5" tall. I'm going to try the ECO-12's when I place my next candle supply order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Mine, looks like a drinking high-ball glass. However, I have tried the 16 oz apothocary, a few other jars. I don't know what I can be doing wrong. I pour at 100. But I will try double wicking.....Thank you SOOOOO mUch!Read my post again because I edited it. I misunderstood what wax you're using. You must have got it from BCN because they list it that way for some reason.A few tips for CB-Advanced...Add 3% stearic acid to avoid cracks or air pockets and pour it hotter, 140 to 160. Pouring cold accomplishes nothing with this wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaybee23 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I would definately double wick this jar with smaller wicks. I automatically double wick anything 3 1/2" or larger that I am using soy in. To me, those huge wicks are ugly when they get those mushrooms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 I would definately double wick this jar with smaller wicks. I automatically double wick anything 3 1/2" or larger that I am using soy in. To me, those huge wicks are ugly when they get those mushrooms.I bet if you used CB-Adv2 you'd take a shot at single wicking a round 4" container. It's so damned easy growing a melt pool with that wax and might not require a torch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaybee23 Posted November 17, 2005 Share Posted November 17, 2005 Maybe you could with this wax, but I could never get a FMP with KY Puresoy in my 3 1/2 jar. It is just a personal thing, but I just like the look of the double wicks too. With the bigger wicks, a lot of my FO's mushroomed badly and it was very unattractive. Seems like I have some of that wax in my cabinet somewhere. Might have to pull it out and give it a try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 17, 2005 Author Share Posted November 17, 2005 I had no idea about double wicking in such a small jar. I am a NEWB...can you tell? LOL...... I double wicked my 16oz apothocary jar last night with 2 ECO12's. I will definately let you girls know what happened. BTW.... I have been burning a container I found at Walmart (mouth opening is 4X3) with 2 ECO14's and it seems to be the only candle that has not been drowning so far. The wicks look big and ugly though. Thank you ladies so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 18, 2005 Author Share Posted November 18, 2005 Last night I double wicked the 16oz Apothocary jar with 2 ECO12's. I am burning right now. My MP is a little over 1/2 inch after 2 hours. No wax left on the sides. I used a 1OZ of WYW scent. No Dye No Additives. Should I try wicking down one? I want to say thank you so much for helping me out last night. I was so frustrated! Soya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Yeah, ECO 12 is way too big for double wicking that wax and jar. You want to have a reasonable melt pool in more like 3 hours, and maybe be able to burn it for like 4-5 hours before the flames are starting to get too large and flickery. Wick it way down. I'll guess ECO 6 or 8 would work well but you have to experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryk Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Rea Ann said she wicked a 4" with CBA with an LX 30 in the post below. I can say that with a 3" jar with CBA2 I can use an LX 26 or 28, so I'd bet a 30 would work also.http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3792&page=2&highlight=LX26#19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 19, 2005 Share Posted November 19, 2005 Rea Ann said she wicked a 4" with CBA with an LX 30 in the post below. I can say that with a 3" jar with CBA2 I can use an LX 26 or 28, so I'd bet a 30 would work also.http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3792&page=2&highlight=LX26#19This just puzzles me in light of my own observations. Some of those LXs are very big and I know they will melt the wax, but how can you use them and get anything like a good burn? You want a candle to burn nicely for hours without flicker and soot, but an LX 30 in CB-Adv 2 is going to be a torch in no time, isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henryk Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 I haven't tried it (30 with a 4") - have tried the 28 with a 3" though. Rea Ann said it worked fine for her so I thought I'd mention it (and give the link). Just was curious. I have tried the 30 in soy/cottonseed blend and it worked nicely (there's a post here with pics somewhere), so maybe in a 4" it may work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 I haven't tried it (30 with a 4") - have tried the 28 with a 3" though. Rea Ann said it worked fine for her so I thought I'd mention it (and give the link). Just was curious. I have tried the 30 in soy/cottonseed blend and it worked nicely (there's a post here with pics somewhere), so maybe in a 4" it may work?The problem I run into first when trying to single wick larger containers is often running out of good wick performance rather than running out of wick size. I guess differences in FO and color additions can affect this equation a lot, but the big wicks seem to get out of trim too quickly. The flames get large, flicker, puff soot. After all, if you're wicking a 4 inch container you want it to burn nicely for at least 4 hours and preferably longer. CB-Adv is viscous but I think generally not enough to keep an LX 30 under control. I may be wrong but that was my conclusion from some recent work on wicking a 16 oz square canister. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 20, 2005 Author Share Posted November 20, 2005 OKay....I have been burn-testing for 4 hours....the 16oz jar with 2 eco10's....not the ECO14's. I got a FMP in 1 hour but it has been consistent with the 1/2in at 4 hours rule. So....do I put it out and wait a few hours to do my next test burn? TY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 20, 2005 Share Posted November 20, 2005 OKay....I have been burn-testing for 4 hours....the 16oz jar with the 2 eco10's. I got a FMP in 1 hour but it has been consistent with the 1/2in at 4 hours rule. So....do I put it out and wait a few hours to do my next test burn? TYYou should wait several hours between tests. If I have other things to work on, I'll just do one burn test a day on a candle, but you might be able to do two.For a 4 inch container I'll schedule a 5 hour test. In the first 3 hours I'll want to see the melt pool filling out, and fully developing to 1/4-1/2" within 4 hours with a good clean burn for the whole time. Ideally I'll want to be able to burn out to 5 hours before the wicks are desperately in need of a trim or developing significant mushrooms. I think you can expect things not to be ideal by the 5 hour mark.I'll end a test early if it's clearly failing. I don't need to be generating soot for an hour or two if I know I'll be trying new wicks the next day.BTW I suspect your ECO 10s are too big. I'm still guessing 6 or 8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soya Posted November 20, 2005 Author Share Posted November 20, 2005 Thanks Top....Test burning is something I did not even know how to do right.Thank the Goddess for this board.!!! I wish I did have eco6 and eco8. Have to wait to order on Monday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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