ct1920 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Hi All, I am inspired to create. I love soaps, body butters, etc and wanted to begin to make my own. I have been carrying a CREAM SOAP recipe with me but am not sure if it is suitable: Hopefully you pro soap makers can help me out. Here is the recipe: coconut oil pureepurified waterorganic vegetable glycerinsorbitollauric acidpotassium cocoatesodium chloride Am I missing a preservative? I tried to buy potassium cocoate online but can't find it? Is this an ingredient or a reaction of mixing ingredients? I want the soap to be firm and not too creamy. How long should I let it rot? Thank you all!! And God bless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 That isn't enough information (amounts/percentages) and I've never heard the term "rot". I can't tell if you're joking, trolling or if you're serious. You want cream soap to be firm but not too creamy? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct1920 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 @Chuck_35550 No I'm not "trolling" . I'm new to making soap and just learning. The ingredients listed were found from a cream soap that I use which is why I dont know the amounts/percentages. I like that soap and wanted to recreate it. The term "rot" was coined by Catherine Failor in her "Making Cream Soap" book which basically means to sit. How long do you let your cream soap mixture sit or "rot" (weeks/months) Yes I dont want super soft cream soap, I prefer a more firm cream soap (not runny or very whipped) Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted June 3, 2015 Share Posted June 3, 2015 Potassium cocoate is the result of making liquid soap paste from potassium hydroxide and coconut oil (and water to dissolve the KOH).Actually the ingredients in that listing look like a blend of liquid soap paste, melt and pour soap and coconut puree. in my opinion and experience, that will not be the greatest formula in the world and will be prone to microbial growth.Do you have the full recipe available with their suggested phases of procedure?All of the cream soap i have made started with a blend of sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, liquid and base oils. It requires lots of stearic acid and many phases of steps to create. The long rot period is needed to complete saponification in each step.You can come close without all the hard calculations or lye handling using a mix of bar soap and liquid soap paste. You will need to heat them both, whip like heck and tinker with proportions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct1920 Posted June 3, 2015 Author Share Posted June 3, 2015 Potassium cocoate is the result of making liquid soap paste from potassium hydroxide and coconut oil (and water to dissolve the KOH).Actually the ingredients in that listing look like a blend of liquid soap paste, melt and pour soap and coconut puree. in my opinion and experience, that will not be the greatest formula in the world and will be prone to microbial growth.Do you have the full recipe available with their suggested phases of procedure?All of the cream soap i have made started with a blend of sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, liquid and base oils. It requires lots of stearic acid and many phases of steps to create. The long rot period is needed to complete saponification in each step.You can come close without all the hard calculations or lye handling using a mix of bar soap and liquid soap paste. You will need to heat them both, whip like heck and tinker with proportions.@TallTayl thank you for your response. And thanks for explaining potassium cocoate. Unfortunately I do not have the full recipe with the proportions, I just have what was listed on the ingredients on the back of the bottle. But I contacted the company and they told me they dont use preservatives and instead use sodium chloride for stabilizing. here is the product link:https://www.binarywerks.net/zuresh2012/CatalogItem.asp?ssl=on I will definitely try your suggestion of sodium hydroxide, potassium hydroxide, liquid and base oils and stearic acid. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 Their ingredient listing on the web site leaves a lot to be desired :/ , as does the sodium chloride use as "stabilizing" comment. Means nothing with regard to making safe and stable bath and body products. If you want to make a true cream soap, there's a Yahoo Group called Cream Soap that is still active and very skilled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbara AL Posted June 4, 2015 Share Posted June 4, 2015 (edited) Yes there is a term Rot in the liquid soap making book. As with us Soap makers with bar soap we call it curing.Another term in liquid soap is sequestering. Edited June 4, 2015 by Barbara AL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck_35550 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I didn't mean to come off sounding rude on my post. You have the best minds on this question (excludes me) and it sounds challenging to someone with no knowledge of liquid soapmaking. Good luck with your quest. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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