soapbuddy Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.com/2013/11/this-is-why-you-want-to-use.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michdj Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Ugh. Gag. I'm still trying to work up the nerve to make lotion from the ingredients I bought (and great Swifty recipe) but I most *certainly* bought preservative. That's nasty.-Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubure Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 You have to use preservative in any product containing water! Meanwhile there are so many good preservatives available, even suitable for certified organic products. Or just use alcohol (around 12%). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vernie1 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Thank you so much for the share and informative blog info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbuddy Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 You're welcome. I find this quote in the comments quite disturbing. "I would far rather have a bit of bacteria/mold then a bunch of chemicals." Where is that head banging smiley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubure Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 This is only because of the ignorance of some people. You can preserve a product absolutely satisfyingly by using alcohol e.g. or the above mentioned preservatives for oragnic cosmetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbuddy Posted November 11, 2013 Author Share Posted November 11, 2013 I thought that you had to use at least 20% alcohol in order to preserve. Wouldn't that make the product very drying though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubure Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No, 12% is enough. I know this firsthand from a renowned German chemist who has his own cosmetic company and who worked for a lot of big cosmetic companies. He can be entirely trusted about this. Never had the impression this ratio would be too drying but there will be people for whom 12% is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbuddy Posted November 12, 2013 Author Share Posted November 12, 2013 Thank you Inez. I read somewhere that it had to be 20% alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallTayl Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Not all alcohols are created equal. And just because someone said they used "an alcohol" successfully is not enough for me to endorse it for my own business without adequate lab testing of the ENTIRE formulation and methodology for efficacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbuddy Posted November 13, 2013 Author Share Posted November 13, 2013 Not all alcohols are created equal. And just because someone said they used "an alcohol" successfully is not enough for me to endorse it for my own business without adequate lab testing of the ENTIRE formulation and methodology for efficacy.Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubure Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 This refers to ethanol/ethyl alcohol (at least 70%, better 90%) - I thought this was clear. This man is not "somebody" who does this on the same basis like most people here, he runs a reputable company. Not to say that your businesses aren't reputable but I don't exaggerate if I claim that he probably has more experience than most here. And yes, it will work for most formulations. Doubting Thomases....*lol*But after all you have all the preservatives available. If you are looking for something that keeps your products fresh for, say, 5 years or so, then you really have upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapbuddy Posted November 16, 2013 Author Share Posted November 16, 2013 Most people on this forum are hobbyists or small time crafters. They do not have the testing apparatus, equipment or a lab, where a product could be properly formulated or tested. Even big companies like Dr. H aushka mess up big time. I am a Licensed Esthetician. I have worked with this product and you know what? I opened a jar once of his and it had mold in it. I reported it, but I don't think anything ever came of it. So if it's a product just for yourself, feel free to experiment. If it's a product for sale, it should be tested and properly made under the most sanitary conditions possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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