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The death of the Orangs is well documented, the deforestation is obvious, and the reason is clear. Palm... Now if you don't value the forests or orangs or the other animals that previously lived on those stretches of land that is fine, and you have that right but to say that these facts are opinions is like saying 2+2=4 is an opinion.

They're not opinions they are facts. My choice is to not use palm. My opinion is that palm should not be used. My opinions are based on the above facts.

I haven't been yet. I hope to get there at the end of this year or early 2013 but I work with a conservation group who rescues Orangutans and currently houses 600 of them. The biggest problem is finding a month without anything major going on...

And those quotes you quoted are direct quotes from the link you posted. They did not check the information they posted (they are lies), therefore it was not vetted. And the counter points they made about palm are misleading at best... lies in my opinion. Same with their opinion on soy, just lies. Orangs are dying off/being killed currently at around 5,000/year and the major Orang rescues pick up one orang per day on average that was orphaned or attacked by the workers. They hack them with machetes or shoot them because they are a pest and they are afraid of them. They've even been known to set them on fire. A lot of workers are migrant workers from java or sumatra and don't even know how to deal with them, (or ever seen one) so they attempt to kill them. It is also more profitable for them to cut down forests and sell off the timber before planting their palm (cuts down startup by 30-40%) and 300 acres per hour are still being cut down in their native rainforest habitat... All for palm oil.

I cut candle containers in the same way, and you have to soak the cord in something first (I use vodka, its cheap and readily available... in my house anyway) When I get yankee trade ins to pull the wax out I crop the top and heat gun the bottom, it usually pops out in one shot. I've done this with a few of mine as well (libbey containers) It is not exclusive to one kind of glass, any glass heated to 600 degrees and plunged into cold water will do this. Annealing properly will cure the micro fractures caused by the cutting of the glass, think about it, when the glass is taken from the rod it is broken off with thermal shock. This doesn't make them unsafe for heat. I also work in glass fairly often, though not as much as I would want.... studio time is very expensive. When I am in there I primarily up-cycle beer bottles into drinking glasses and one of the things I do is heal the fractures with the annealing process. Now... just sticking them into a hot box won't do it it needs to be raised and lowered in a controlled way for it to work but I am not going to get into that, there is no reason to here.

Palm plantations occupy the most biologically diverse areas in the world outside of the barrier reefs. When they cut these areas down and plant a single crop of oil palm, eliminating all other plants, no it is not a biologically diverse way of farming. GMO soy is safe, in the same way sugar is safe. If you eat some of it it is fine, a lot of it is bad. Same with palm, palm is primarily a saturated fat, a lot of it is bad for you, and I never said palm was bad for people, only the places and animal's habitat they occupy. They didn't vet their information. Here are a few things they claim that are demonstrably false. "Soy farming supports US jobs" - Misleading! (it supports my job!) Soy requires annual tilling and crop rotation (No till is very popular right now) Tree farms protect local wildlife - the higher the biodiversity the greater stability of the ecosystem. (this is true but is actually misleading, palm plantations are not the same as a "tree farm" which are primarily for timber) "Soy candles help small family owned US farmers" - The opposite is true. (soy does help small family owned US farms) "Soy Candles help the U.S. Economy" - Misleading (it is true, we're selling them within the US contributing to the economy, and keeping the profits within our boarders most of the time) "Soy candles don't put your health in jeopardy" - We strongly disagree. (soy candles are not a health hazard) "Soy wax costs less" - False! (well this is true, soy wax does cost less) They also claim that soy destroys the rainforest when palm (and beef production) causes far more. It is more profitable now to produce the soy on American soil. Product costs are almost always directly related to the energy cost involved with it. There is a reason that the easy to extract, highly productive oil costs a lot of money... they have to ship it from all over the world. When they use local soy, the energy costs are considerably lower. If it were true that it uses less energy it would be cheaper, much cheaper.

Wine bottles are very very tough. They usually have thick glass and are good with thermal shock (they are routinely jammed into ice) and as far as them not being able to handle heat... all glass is made at temperatures in excess of 900, and as long as they are properly annealed (which is required for food products) they should be fine. I personally wouldn't see them as unsafe as is BUT... if they are simply cutting the tops off and pouring them it could create a microcrack that could burst through warm ups and cool downs. If, however they are cutting the tops off and then putting them through an annealing oven they should be fine. This would fuse these cracks and stabilize the glass. The biggest problem I have with wine bottles is most of them are concave on the bottom which makes wicking them very very hard.

Another reason to not make wood wicked candles. What I don't get is if they have the patent on the wood wicks how are WoodWick candles being made? I wonder if they are playing royalties for use of the patent? Same with the knockoff wood wicks at Wally World. Oh well, no worries for me.

15 years ago the production of palm oil came from small plantations in the native range. Today we're seeing it in central and south America. If we (and we ARE the number one consumer market) decides that we're not going to use unsustainable palm the whole world would take notice. IF they did not produce palm oil the only thing that would happen is large companies would not displace any local citizens. In the whole palm industry there are only around 500 major players, and a lot of them have exclusive contracts with Cargill. We're not talking about 10 acre plots with a couple hundred trees. These plantations are 1,500-2,000 acres or more. Its also not uncommon to use illegal workers because they are cheaper. I get the whole sweat shop argument and there are a lot of places that would love to have a few sweat shops come to town (Juarez for one) but we need to stop supporting any industry that is detrimental to things we're for. Its that simple... the capitalistic philosophy says that when we stop doing x y opens up and creates an opportunity. Palm is not something I can support, and I don't. I choose Y, which is sort of anything else. (including LUSH palm free soaps)

You, me or anyone else on this forum, even if all of the members are all included as a whole DO NOT HAVE a positive or negative impact on the production of Palm Oil or the deforestation to produce it. Uh... yes we do. If nobody bought it nobody would produce it. Its called capitalism. We vote with our dollars and if we stay away from palm products there would be no need to produce them.... I haven't had a kit kat or skippy "natural" peanut butter in years because they have palm oil in it. Think of elections, lead wicks.... or avocado colored bathroom tiles.

Is that with your 4630 or 464? With 464 I did well with eco 8 or 10, sometimes up to 12 with some FO with 464. 4630 I doubled eco 2's or 4's.

I never log out, I never know when I'll need to process an order so I just keep it up all the time, whether I am at a show or not, I've never had a problem with it.

If you are looking to quad wick I would suggest eco 2's I don't really think you need to quad wick them. I think 4x eco 4's will be very warm. Probably throw really well but have a lot of flickering/mushrooming and maybe some wisps of smoke after a while.

The only wax I can say I "trash" talk is palm, but only when it comes up, Mia Bella is something I see a lot of around here and when I am asked about the difference in soy/palm I will talk about the deforestation of the rainforest for palm production and the effect it has on the local wildlife. As for bees, bee populations are generally counted as a hive, commercial bee producers (the kind that ship hives to farms) are where most of the wax comes from. Their money comes from three primary sources, the first is obviously honey, the second is renting them out to farms. They truck in hundreds of hives and place them in the center of people's farms, they are paid for this. The last source of income is wax, and when they harvest the honey they are left with empty cells made of wax. When they clean the wood frames off to place back into the hive they get the wax. Each bee keeper keeps enough honey in the colony to keep them alive, after all they are making money off of the products these little guys produce. So far the best hypothesis out there is a bacteria or fungi that are working against the bees. There is also (obviously) more pesticides in the world, and with the tremendous expansion of self pollinating crops, 500 acres without a single bug on it due to pesticides is fairly common. I read an article about a beeless world a few months ago and they did calculations that would equate their work to human work and it would increase our non-grain food crops by 40% but they also cited biodome 2 and that truly was a world without bees, they lived and grew food for 2 years without bees without human pollination and they found that other insects took their place (namely roaches) Fascinating though, kinda gross for sure.... roaches all over the food.

This has to do with disease over our harvesting anything from them Palm is sustainable on paper Most of the palm oil produced and exported comes from Malaysia home of the orangutan, and the deforestation is pushing them out to the fringe and putting them in tiny patches of land between plantations. If they wonder onto the plantations they are often hacked to death because they are considered a pest. In south America they shoot and kill the parrots that flock the palm plantations to get something to eat. We did deforest our lands and its not the deforestation because, after all they are re-planting trees, it is the monoculture that is the bad part. Biodiversity in the tropical regions is by far more important than the cooler regions here in the US. We also don't have numbers of site specific animals here in the US. The symbiosis that is exhibited in the tropical regions is insane and with a couple animals/plants going extinct in some areas, it could collapse ecosystems. Tropical forests are just more valuable overall than forests here (which still need to be protected)

Talk about spin! First and foremost soy is the least expensive wax out there. I cannot find any palm or paraffin that is less expensive than $1 per pound... second they must have some magical palm wax because there is no palm wax out there that is sustainable. Palm is incredibly bad for the environment and the statement that was put forth that they only buy palm from farms that switched over to palm is bull. This would mean that there is some secondary hippy run palm industry that repurposed land for palm production only and this is just not how palm works... and the problem about palm is more about the monoculture and destruction of endangered species who wonder onto the plantations than it is about carbon or anything, I mean palm is pretty good at storing carbon and if it could be truly sustainably grown I would consider it. I've liked how palm burns but can't get past the ecological impact. I also live in an area surrounded by farms... SOY farms, and I know a lot of the FAMILIES who run the farms personally. No they don't like Monsanto but it isn't because of GMOs it is because they own the patent to them. GMO soy is safe, its been proven over and over again and we've all eaten it in one way or another. Nearly all soy products are GMOs. I disagree with almost all of you... they didn't vet their information they only used the information that supports their position. No different than the soy candle makers that you guys seem to hate, or the paraffin candle makers that claim their product is sustainable.

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If you're triple wicking I would start with CD 4 or 5, and give the wick a few twists to keep the flame moving around as it goes down. I do like ECOs in 464 though, and if I could use them in C3 without them throwing smoke during power burns I would.

Is this by any chance lemon verbena from CS? I'm playing around with it to see if I can get mine to ignite too, so far no luck but I don't use paraffin, though I do have 4630 in the house.

I think if you were being sold the people buying them would not think they're working, how deep is this candle? I'm personally not liking the hangup on the right, i would burn it out but I think it will take a considerable amount of time to knock that down.

I think it will end up ok, but if I were looking at this, I would have judged at 4-5 hours, though I assume it was almost the same burn pattern at that point. I would consider moving the wicks in a bit too, when they're closer together they end up burning a little hotter, maybe 1.5"-2" spacing Something to think about. Please do take more pics later.

Sales, but I think that they really bit themselves in the a$$ when they introduced them in a very green container, it is a very uncommon design color and many of their customers shop by color. Another thing they did not really do is put any existing scents into the soy candles and market them side by side. If they put their most popular scents into them and put them next to their paraffin candles they would have had a more successful launch. Their failure is our gain though.

The only soy candles I have seen from Yankee was the beanswax candles and they were all soy, they marketed them as American grown soy and they were only out for 10-12 months and then they nixed them.

They can also be over wicked. No major problem, its normal.

I do one, two sometimes. As long as it coats the bottom of the container and doesn't smoke. For customers I tell them to use two at a time, or a single 1 ounce fluted melt