HorseScentS

Sounds like a silly question to ask. But with presto what are your batch sizes? I.e. do you get 20 of the same fragrance? Also if you don't mind me asking where is best place to buy? I am wondering if pricing is worth it.

Wallyworld is the cheapest place to buy your Presto Kitchen Kettle, as far as I know. They used to be about $20.00, but they've gone up: http://www.walmart.com/ip/Presto-Kitchen-Kettle-Multi-Cooker-Steamer/14321003

It holds about seven or eight pounds of wax. Just make sure you remove the lid and keep if off while it's turned on or your wax could overheat and burst into flames. It's easy to forget to remove the lid, I had to tape a note to my lid to remind me not to turn it on without removing the lid.

Sounds good, I can't wait to try the heart jar. You're going to use 4627? when are you going to pour it & I'll do the same?

Yes, I'm only working with 4627. I might pour the heart jar tonight, or possibly tomorrow. lol

Ok, are you going to try LXs?

I don't have any LX's but I'll probably order a sample pack this week, although I really think CDN's might work better so I'll get some of those too. I already tried all the HTP's, Ecos, and Zincs in the 20 oz Emma Jar and nothing worked with single, double, or even triple wicking. I'm satisfied with the HTP's in the 10 oz Emma Jar, the DT Status, and I'm sure that triple wicking with HTP 52 or 62 will work for me in the HL Libbey Cylinder jar. So, at this point I'm still working on single wicking the 20 oz Emma Jar and that's what I'll be trying to do with the LX's and CDN's. After that I'm going to try the Libbey Heart dish with three HTP 83's or 93's.

I just filled a 10 oz Emma Jar with water to calculate the wax needed to fill it to where I want, and then I used the wax calculator (Container Candle Calculator) and it looks like 8.25 oz of wax will be perfect to fill it a bit past the tops of the small arches at the top of the flat corners -- not the big arches on the sides of the jar. I think you'll like the look of that since it's more full than just going to where the flat corner breaks over into the curve of the shoulder, but it leaves enough of a heat sink, I think, and except for the corners being a bit smaller at that level it's still the same diameter side-to-side.

That would be very neat as I have tried to wick my apothecaries 4" diameter with CD wicks clear up to the 20. Can't be done with the 4627, unless you either like soot, or don't mind a lot of hang. I've tried to single wick the same jar with 4627 using LX wicks, no dice. I did notice that some of the LX wicks actually make the glass hotter than the CDs for similar size.

Oops! I totally messed up my comment above, I didn't mean to write "LX wicks," but I got confused because ChandlerWicks and I recently discussed trying those wicks too. I only meant to comment about CDN wicks, so it's the CDN wicks that ChandlerWicks most recently agreed to try in our 4" diameter 20 oz Emma Jars that we're desperately trying to wick in 4627. Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you for that info, Dave. That's very helpful. I, too, found that I had to go up to 9 or 10% in 6006, and I've read the same thing about Victory Blend parasoy, which is said to have the same CT and HT as 4627. I keep meaning to try it, but still busy enough testing 4627. I'm planning to use 6006 for tarts.

Try LoneStar.

OUCH!

Sorry! The only thing I won't give away on the board is our wick specfications. I stumbled onto it several years ago after acquiring enough to last several lifetimes. I've not seen the wick we use mentioned in any wicking charts I've researched. I am VERY pleased with it, though.

I will state however that zinc wicks will work for all of the waxes I've mentioned. I've used them in all but the parasoy blend of IGI-6006. I would not recommend zinc for "natural" waxes.

If you are pouring paraffin containers similar to the 8 ounce jelly jars that are very popular (We use these.) I would start my wicking using a 51Z wick if my memory serves me right. That would in my opinion be a good place to start. I think many chandlers will agree with this.

JMO/HTH

Sorry I couldn't help more.

Let us know how you do with the wax change. Good luck!

BTW: You cannot imagine how jealous I am of you being able to pick up 4630 with only a half hour round trip drive. I'd have to stay overnight in a motel to pick-up wax!

Dave

Zincs actually work perfect in 6006, and that's the wick most of the 6006 users on this forum seem to use.

I'm glad you like 6006 for tarts and clamshells! In candles 6006 won't throw everything so you have to kind of stick to FO's that throw well in soy, but is that also true with 6006 in tarts and clamshells? or will it throw all the FO's when heated in a tart melter?

I wonder how well these would do with 4627 & 4630 - as far as getting the extra inch and cleaner burn.

That's what I'm wondering too! I suggested to ChandlerWicks thast we should try single wicking our 20 oz Emma jar, which is 4" diameter, with LX wicks in 4627 on our thread about the Emma Jars at Wallyworld. CW has some LX wicks so she's going to try it. For 4627 you can wick down one or two sizes from soy, so a CDN 14 or 16 might work well in a 4" dia. jar and may be small enough that they don't smoke.

I like the word "Banapple." lol Banapple Bread is good.

Banana Apple Spice Cake

Cdns are good, I melted down my jars & mixed together to save time. I'll try tomorrow. How'd you find anything? She's redoing her website & it's difficult to follow. I can't wait until it's done!

I had a really hard time finding that info, and it finally came up on Google after several searches.

Are you sure your remelted candles will be hardened up enough by tomorrow to give an accurate burn test result?

Hey, CW, maybe this info about CDN wicks could help us single wick our 4" jars in 4627! CD's are essentially the same wick as HTP, but made in Europe and burn a bit hotter, and CDN are just CD wicks with a different coating so I would think they'd work in 4627. I copied this from Candle Cocoon:

"CDN Wicks (All Purpose)

"CDN wicks were invented in Germany for use in steric acid candles. They are the same size as corresponding CD wicks but they are soaked in a different finishing solution that helps to neutralize the acidic properties of natural candles. You may find that a CDN will burn out an inch further then its regular CD counter part. For instance, the CD18 will burn out to about 3" in EL soy container with Vanilla Voodoo but a CDN18 will burn 4" in diameter in the EL soy container!!!!" (Note by me, HorsescentS: Since CD 18 will make a 4" MP in soy, maybe CDN 14 or 16 will be big enough to do the same thing in 4627, and I think those sizes are small enough not to smoke.)

"Due to increased efficiency in burning CDN wicks may burn cleaner in natural waxes." http://flutterdyes.net/viewitem.asp?Id=20

P.S. In addition to the supplier I linked above, here's another source, and the wick sizes are listed in the drop-down menu near the bottom of the page next to the word "Options."

CDN Wicks (All Purpose)

CDN wicks were invented in Germany for use in steric acid candles. They are the same size as corresponding CD wicks but they are soaked in a different finishing solution that helps to neutralize the acidic properties of natural candles. You may find that a CDN will burn out an inch further then its regular CD counter part. For instance, the CD18 will burn out to about 3" in EL soy container with Vanilla Voodoo but a CDN18 will burn 4" in diameter in the EL soy container!!!!

Due to increased efficiency in burning CDN wicks may burn cleaner in natural waxes. http://flutterdyes.net/viewitem.asp?Id=20

Stabilo & Stabilo KST Wicks

"Formerly known as CD and CDN wicks respectively, the Stabilo and Stabilo KST wicks are coreless, non-directional, flat braided wicks with a special paper filament woven around them.

This configuration is engineered to promote maximum and consistent capillary action while ensuring a wick trimming flame posture.The Stabilo series is used in many different applications and is especially compatible with the harder-to-melt viscous waxes of both paraffin and vegetable base. The Stabilo KST series of wick is identical to the Stabilo series except that it has been treated with a special patent-pending process to resist the corrosive action of the acidic nature of natural-based candle waxes." http://www.wicksunlimited.com/heinz_candle_wicks.php

I'm a she, not a he lol!! I use the cylinder jars, but not 4627. I use parasoy wax and wick with (2) LX10's or (2) LX12's depending on the FO. (2) LX22's seems awful large and you may get a very hot jar. Good luck!

Oh, wow, you're a she?! LOL I'm so sorry! Thanks for sharing that wicking info, it might apply to 4627 too because I've noticed that 4627 often takes the same size wick as parasoy.

So, did you ever single wick 4627 in a tall cylinder jar with LX or am I imagining things? lol I can't remember what thread you were commenting on about the tall cylinder jars.

Excellent idea! I'll melt the others i have sitting here & get going with it!

Great! Did you see my Edit above?

Most of the palm chandlers here use CDN wicks in their container palm.

It's down really far & the wicks fall over but I'll try.

Oh, if it's down that far you might as well make a new one. Sometimes when the wicks are falling over in my testers and I don't want to make a new one, I melt the candle completely in a warm oven, then I use a new wick with a wick assembly and put a pea-size blob of Tacky Wax (it comes in a small round yellow plastic tub from Michael's and Hobby Lobby) on the bottom and then push it down through the melted wax onto the bottom of the jar and it totally sticks down good.

You can also melt one of your other half-full testers and dump it into your half-full cylinder tester so you'll have a full one. lol

I bought eight more 10 oz Emma jars, so now that I know how to wick them (at least with Cajun Mulberry Madness) I'm going to pour more Mulberry candles tonight. If I pour a cylinder tonight too, maybe you and I will be ready to test cylinders on the same day. I also need to pour a Libbey Heart dish (from Dollar Tree). I'm thinking three HTP 83's or 93's for the Heart...

I'll have to make a new jar to try 3 wicks.

You can put your cylinder jar in a warm oven (170 degrees) and let it melt completely, then turn the oven off and let it harden overnight, then it should be ready to test in a day or two. Or you can pull out your two wicks and heat gun the top until it's all smooth and even again.

I'll try again. Did you see the cylindar with eco2s in it? 3 posts back.

It looks like three Eco 2's would work well in that jar. I never see anyone double wicking 4627 in jars that are more than 3" in diameter, they always triple wick the bigger jars like 4" diameter with three HTP 52's or 62's. I think most customers prefer either a single wick or a triple wick over a double wick.

I'll try again. Did you see the cylindar with eco2s in it? 3 posts back.

Yes, I see you're going to wick up to Eco 4's.

2 1/2 hours & only 1/2 dollar size MP with the LXs. Maybe 2 LX22s tomorrow.

Is the MP more than 1/2" deep like it's tunneling? If not, you might give it awhile longer with the LX 30. I think it was ChrisR who said he used to single wick those tall Libbey Cylinder jars in 4627 with LX 26...or one of the big LX wicks.

Nope, no smoke! Ok I will.

Wow! That's exciting news! How's the HT?

Got it. I put 2 Eco2s back into the cylindar jar & it's working very well.

Ok, I've got a LX30 in both the 20oz Emma & the big apothecary, pretty flames.

Oh, wow, so the LX 30's are not smoking???

I'm so glad the Eco 2's are working in the cylinder jar. Post pics when you get a chance!