HorseScentS

Have you had any problems w/these jars? Do you just use them for testing or do you also sell them?

I looked up the $ on buying the lids for these and it will cost 2x's as much to have them shipped to me.

It stinks that I have no one near me that sell's any candle supplies so the shipping $ is crazy.

Thx,

Suzan

I only use the Dollar Tree Status jars for myself, I don't sell them or even give them away because they're not certified candle-safe glassware.

Do most people want a lid w/these? I looked around and don't see the lid at $ store.

Thank you,

Suzan

There was a candle shop in my area that said those jars were her bestseller and also her fundraiser candle, and she didn't use lids she wrapped them in cello with a gold elastic bow on top. But, since she made several kinds of candles they could sniff the ones with lids.

That said, I personally wouldn't sell the Dollar Tree Status jar because it's not on anybody's approved list of candle-safe, so if the customer power burns it and it overheats and breaks and you get sued for fire damage, injury, or wrongful death, you'd be liable. I do use that jar to test in so I can have an idea of how to wick a 12 oz Status jar from a candle supplier before buying the more expensive jars.

Those candles sound lovely! Do you have a pic you can post here?

Oh no, post please! I'm curious as a Monkey!

And I'm curious as a Muskrat!

I am also using 4627 in 2.75" diameter jars, (changed from 3" tumblers because it was impossible to wick with just one!) and you said using htp 83" wicks worked for you, but what i'm finding is the jars get REALLY hot toward the bottom, but I'm scared with the smaller wick size I won't achieve a full melt pool, ever. My jars are 4" tall (the Libbey Crisa tumblers) so toward the bottom they are bound to get hot, but I think they were too hot. I also was getting some soot and alot of flickering flames towards the bottom, too. Now I'm testing the 73 & 62 htps and off the bat I say say the 62s are not going to make it. My worry is the 83's get too hot and the 73's will not ever get a full melt pool! I really don't want to test a new line of wicks, especially since htp's are the recommended wick for this wax (and I like them!) Last night my first burn with the 73 left about a 1/4" inch all around, I know a hang-up is ok on the first and second burns, (maybe even third?) I ask, is this normal? Is my wax "the bad batch?" I've had some of the weirdest results with wick testing with 83's burning hotter then 93's, etc... my 73 last night had a wider melt pool then the 83??? Thanks all!

You shouldn't get a full melt pool until the 3rd or 4th burn session. Your glass is quite a bit taller than it is wide, so a full melt pool on the 4th burn session will be good. A burn session is 1 hour for each inch of diameter, so for your container it would be 2 hrs and 45 minutes, or you can round up to 3 hours.

It also depends on how full you're filling your container, because if you fill it too full there's not enough glass at the top to help trap heat so the wick has to do all the work and it will take you more burn sessions to get a full melt pool. The HTP 73 should work well in your container.

Also, how hot is too hot? If you touch the glass with a cool hand it will feel extremely hot, but if you hold your hands under warm or hot water first, the glass won't feel that hot, so how hot it feels can be relative. Like when you first stick your foot in a hot tub with 104 to 108 degree water it's so painfully hot you quickly pull your foot back out, but after a while you can get your whole body in that hot water and if feels good.

The glass has to get hot enough for the wax to melt off of the sides. I can't remember what temperature the National Candle Associate says is the max temp for the glass, but I think it's 140 degrees? Not sure about that though, so I hope somebody else here will comment on the max temperature for the glass. All candles get hot at the bottom, so if you get one of those thermometers that you can aim at the side of the jar and read the temperature, that's more reliable than trying to tell by touching the glass.

You're right. It was an attempt at humoring you by your refusal to post the question, that's all.

"Refusal"?? I was nicely encouraging you to go ahead and start your own thread about your question by kindly reassuring you that you would get just as many responses as I, or anybody else, would.

I have an idea: Maybe one of us can call IGI and find out which IGI staffer we can send a sample of the TCS tart wax to so they can try to identify it and tell us if it's one of their waxes, and which wax it is.

That's not very nice of you. No, the specific question deals with that huge flame immediately after lighting the candle with the HTP 126 wick, does anyone get the huge fire immedately upon lighting? Is that what you're talking about?

Come to think about it, I have a video that I made with my phone that shows what I'm talking about. If you'd like to see what I'm talking about to be sure we are on the same page, PM me your e-mail address and I will send it to you.

What's "not very nice" of me? There's nothing in my comment that's not nice.

I have tried the HTP 126 in several 3-inch containers. Each time I got like a four or five inch flame that burned for at least five minutes. I made a video of it burning out of control. To me, it looks like a fire hazard and it is unsafe. I thought it was something I was doing or not doing until you addressed the issue. I would never give or sell anybody a candle that burns like that.

Why don't you post that question on the board to members to see if others have the same experience. It would be interesting to find out the results. You are very popular on the forum and a question from you would yield more responses than if I asked the question since I've only been posting for about a week.

What I can do and will do is contact Wicks Unlimited Monday or early next week and ask them if the wick should peform in that manner. I really think we should do both.

What do you think? Are you in?

I'm not popular, I just post a lot. Most of the others have way more experience than I do. You'll get just as many replies to your comments as anybody, just post the question in the General Candle Making section.

There are a couple of threads where we've discussed that the HTP 126 is bigger than the HTP 1212 and 1213, so they shouldn't put it between the HTP 105 and the 1212 on the wick charts.

HorsescentS, to be perfectly honest I don't know. I have three candles going at the same time. I do smell something when I enter the room, but I don't have a clue where it is coming from. I was just so relieved to get the candles burning without causing a towering inferno and smoking so much, I figured I would deal with the HT later.

How do you like that gigantic flame on the HTP 126 when you first light it? The first time it happened to me, it scared the daylights out of me and it burned like that for about five minutes. Do I understand you to say that that's a characteristic of the HTP 126? They always start off with that huge flame?

The HTP 126 does make a big smokey flame for me in the containers I've tried it in so far, and I've never used it to wick anything because I can't get it to stop smoking like a chimney. I'm thinking it's not that compatible with 4627. But, who knows, maybe there's a container it would work in with 4627. Have you successfully used it in any of your containers?

Awesome! Thanks so much for sharing that fix with us. How's the HT on those candles? is it as strong as you'd get with just plain 4627?

I renamed mine Lollipop Kiss. I think I got the suggestion on this board.

Lollipop Kiss is adorable! Popsicle Kiss would work too.

Great memory Horsescents! The Cottage line morphed in with the coconut line and a totally different jar. It takes me forever to get my ideas into a working concept because I'm always getting distracted by new ideas....lol must be an ADD issue!

You could use these blue jars to do a Mermaid or Neptune line, and decorate them with pieces of sea glass and shells tied around the jar on a little piece of fishing net twine or something.

Oh noooo, why did I read this thread, I don't need anymore ideas meandering in my head!

Haha! I remember you once posted you have a crush on the regular version of that jar anyway, so the blue ones will be even more irresistible! Whatever happened to the Beach Cottage line you were working on in the pint mason with the cute hang tags, did you add it to your store?

Hi, sixx! Nice to meet you!

If you happen to come across some which is very doubtful, I will have the fix so don't worry.

Okay, great!

Here is the lot number for the 4627 wax that I feel had too much petrolaum (oil) in it:

1202254

The distributor says he only has a couple of cases of this wax left.

HTH

Thanks, Cynthia! There must be more cases out there, so this will help a lot.

I understand what you are saying but I don't see it getting that far based upon only me voicing problems with the wax. As a matter of fact, I am not sure the distributor sees it as a problem. He said that no one else had expessed any concerns to him about the wax.

Frankly speaking, the supplier probably thinks I'm an inexperienced chandler that doesn't know how to properly work with the 4627 wax and the wax burned the way it did because of something I did incorrectly or something I didn't do . I have tons of notes and pictures to support my contention. I even have videos of the candles buring that I make to assist me when I document my results

I really don't see this situation going that far especially in light of the fact that IGI has ranges within their specifications. Apparebtly this batch was in the low range for passing quality control.

I understand, but that puts me in the position of being afraid to buy another case of 4627 because any supplier I buy it from might be the supplier that sold you the bad wax.

If the supplier doesn't take your complaint seriously, that's his problem. All business owners know that the customer is always right, because if a customer is not satisfied they're going to tell at least 8 other people about it, which will end up costing the business more money in lost business than if they had just satisfied the customer by replacing or refunding the product.

But thanks for getting those batch numbers for us anyway, that will be a big help. :smiley2:

Providing the supplier's name doesn't mean it's their fault, it just means that they will resolve the problem by working with IGI or whatever distributor they bought the faulty wax from, and then they'll put a notice on their website to let everyone know that the problem was resolved.

The suppliers can afford to work these things out and they have ways of recouping their losses, but a struggling chandler, who buys a whole case of bad wax, can really get hurt, especially if they don't test burn their candles before selling them and the customers end up with a bad, or even dangerous, product.

What a cute idea that is HS!

Thanks, Jeanie! I guess I'm going to have to learn to make crumbles. lol

I agree! I do not even make candles and I am trying to come up with a reason to buy them!

You can make your tarts in the form of white crumbles to put in those jars with a cute little scoop tied to the neck.

My son and his family (30 year old urban yuppies) drink out of Mason jars and have these lids:

http://www.trulyorganicfoods.com/mason-jar-silicone-drinking-lids.php

My stepdaughter and her family (30 year old country dwellers) drink out of regular Mason jars Robertson Family/Duck Dynasty style.

I'd like to get some of these for both!

I LOVE those lids! What's "Robertson Family/Duck Dynasty"?

You mean like a redneck wedding? Years & years ago a bar in Md. called Cowboys served their drinks in something similar.

It's gone beyond redneck weddings and now it's trendy for yuppies to do it, they like to do the rustic, vintage style.

I didn't find them here either. I did buy a case of the reg. mouth pint jars. I never noticed how cute they are! I buy the wide mouth mouth for storage & wasn't interested in pouring wax in those. Did you see the following? Maybe they'll be out for the whole year.

At this point, we haven’t seen a release schedule for additional items, but they’ve called the pint their “2013 Jar”, so we’re assuming the quart could be the “2014 Jar”. We’ll let you know as soon as we do, and we’ll carry every size they produce!

That regular mouth pint mason is adorable! And they're very trendy right now with people using them to decorate and even to drink out of at parties and weddings.

I bet if you call all the hardware stores in your area and give them the Item # of the blue jars, you'll find one whose warehouse has them, and they'll order them for you. Oh! I just remembered that Hobby Lobby carries Ball jars, which you can buy individually or order them by the case, especially on the bi-monthly 50% off glassware sale days. I bet they'll get the blue jars, and maybe they have them right now; I'll check their website.

Ace and Tru Value didn't have the Heritage Collection Ball jars in their warehouses yet in Arkansas and Texas, so I called Midtown Hardware who's website is DoItBest.com, and their Waco, Texas warehouse does have the jars. I ordered two cases of 6 jars for aprox $9.00 each case, and I can pick them up on Monday with free shipping. He said I could see the jars on the DoItBest.com website, but I don't see them there, so he must have been looking at his DoItBest.com warehouse webpage.