There is a sticky in the Veggie section of this board that has a list of what other peopke have found to work in soy. Maybe start there. I did check out the sticky veggie section. Very informattive, will read it over tonight. I used 464 no coloring, melted the wax at 175 and poured at 120. In a 8 oz mason jar with CD 10 and I also tried the 14. A BIG thanks to all who is helping. I love candles and do not want to give it up.