I tried TOG's recipe that he posted a few days ago (thanks, Paul!), although I used equal parts salt to oils rather than 75%. Sure enough, they turned out major crumbly - I need to remember to leave a recipe alone until I actually know what I'm doing. :embarasse Stranger thing was that they didn't want to harden, which seems to be the opposite of what people experience with sb's. I soaped very cool - oils & lye were at 82 degrees and used my vertical mold. It didn't heat up much at all, but I pulled it out of the mold after about 90 minutes since I was afraid I'd end up with a single granite log. No chance of that - it held its shape, but was cool to the touch and soft. So then I tried putting it in the oven at 175 for a bit, and in just a few minutes it started getting dark & hot (gelling I guess) & even softer. Pulled it out, & left it alone for a while, still fretting all the while about it getting too hard to cut. Finally did slice it after another 90 minutes or so - it was kind of like room temp cream cheese, but also crumbly where it was harder, and has made for some major ugly slices. At least they lather this time, though the jury's out until I give them a few weeks cure. Good news is they smell wonderful. Bad news is I was using Rocky Mtn Xmas which I bought for the FOH swap, and don't have enough left for a second attempt. :rolleyes2 If shooting myself in the foot were a profession, I'd be better off than Bill Gates.