Jeana

2 hours ago, CandleRush said:

I have not found one patchouli fo that smells close to the real one so I use  dark patchouli essential oil from Eden botanicals.

all their e.o.s are high quality.🌸

Have you tried the one from CC? I’ve tried most of them out there too. The one from CC is the only one that smells like the real thing. 

16 minutes ago, Sarah S said:

@Darbla, they also have the Odor Eliminator Additive for candles. My testing is still early, but it works fairly well at 2% without messing with my wicking in palm. I haven't tested it in paraffin yet.

Oh and their Vanilla Patchouli is awesome!

I got the OE too, which is why I placed the order with them. I've tried it in a couple scents but I don't see any difference if I use it or not at 1%. Do you see a difference when you use it scent/throw wise? I'm using it in a para veg blend.

5 hours ago, Darbla said:

Doggone it, you're going to make me place an order there after all.  Aren't they the place with Luxe Linen too?  That's been haunting me for months after it was brought up on here.

LOL, sorry, I was reluctant to get ANOTHER fragrance vendor but I couldn't resist. I don't know about the Luxe Linen, but all their oils seem very high quality. I was surprised seeing how they are a small place. They gave me 3 additional testers that were free with my order. When everyone else is raising their prices, I thought this was very generous  

The other samples I got that I like are Caribbean Teakwood, Tuscan Lemon Blossom, and their Cedarwood is actually a great Sandalwood. I doctored it a little and I got it to be a perfect authentic sandalwood in some soap. I'm so happy about this, I've looked for years for a great sandalwood. BUT, their actual sandalwood is not even close, so I won't get that one again. 

Their peppermint and eucalyptus both smell just like the EOs too.

On 6/6/2019 at 4:36 PM, Sarah S said:

Thanks Jeana! I have been using and liking the one from Aztec, but it is definitely not that great. I will check CC out for sure! I've only gotten a couple FOs from them, but I liked what I got!

If you try it, let me know what you think.

I totally understand about raising my prices, I’ve been doing this a long time and I never undersell my work. Before all of this I just raised the price recently on all my private label wholesale candles $1 each to cover my new wax. And seeing how gas around me can go up to $4 per gallon, I’ve now started charging delivery fees. I’ve never charged delivery fees before. I’m just saying I can’t keep raising prices or I will lose these accounts. Customers will only pay so much for a candle. These suppliers can absorb some changes occasionally, or at least split it with us. One of the other scents I get from NG went up $1.30 per lb, I can handle that, but where I start getting concerned is an extra $3 per lb. That really adds up when I’m buying 10+ lbs at a time. And it’s just plain ridiculous for a fruity synthetic scent. 

18 minutes ago, Sebleo said:

There is a thread on this topic in the business section. We will probably be seeing all sorts of price increases this year. 

What's the thread title?

13 minutes ago, Lighten Up said:

 

I've noticed it, too. In fact, I had been switching some of my fragrances to NG from another supplier that is pricing itself out of my range. I may have to rethink that.

They did some dramatic price increases a couple years ago too. So you may want to rethink it. I just don't know why they are increasing this dramatically. It's not like I can keep pushing these increases onto my wholesale customers. I can absorb some of that with retail or for personal use but not wholesale, they'll only pay so much.

I just wanted to let any patchouli lovers out there know the patchouli FO from Community Candles is right on the money for a dark, thick patchouli EO. This is OOB, in the wax, and burning. It's the best I've found by far. You have to wick it up but it doesn't drown flames.

The last time I ordered from NG was just 4/22. I went to place the same order and discovered they increase their pomegranate by $3.00 per lb. Some other ones went up by $1.30  per lb. I get raising a price here and there but $3.00 lb? It's a fruity scent too, not like sandalwood or patchouli that warrants such a dramatic increase. That translates to  $.16 more per candle. That's pretty substantial when doing wholesale  Anyone else noticing this?

On 3/31/2019 at 6:26 PM, bfroberts said:

I saw this post yesterday and pulled out a tester I poured several months ago with this FO.  It's 6006 in a jelly jar with a CD8, and I'm on the first burn.  I'll let you know how it does in latter burns.  What parasoy are you using?

So how did this tester go? 

29 minutes ago, Testing123 said:

I want to write flaming and beg them to reformulate this fragrance. It drowns out everytime with every type of wick. The scent is sooo luxuiorus I love it.

I totally agree! It's an amazing scent. If you make soap put a little patchouli EO with it and its dreamy. 

I thought I got a CD 14 to work in it but on the 3rd burn it still drowned. Very disappointing! I've been trying to mix it with other FOs and it still drowns. And it doesn't smell the same. 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who has issues with this scent. 

1 hour ago, Sarah S said:

They are so pretty!! I keep going back and forth too. I always color my Palm wax candles, because I love the way it looks with the crystal pattern. 

Regarding the sales, I think it really just depends on what goes with your brand, scents, labels, etc.

Thanks! Ya, you have to color palm, it's just too pretty not to color it. 

14 minutes ago, NightLight said:

I love the colors. Are they paraffin? All the soy candle attempts have ended with frosting.

Thanks. They are my own veggie/paraffin blend, definitely not all soy. Although, I used to get similar results with 464. It had its own issues though. 

I put together some Spring time colors and scents. I've gotten so bored with plain white candles lately. I haven't decided if I'll try to sell them colored or stick with plain white to sell. I haven't sold colored candles in a really long time. Does anyone notice if sales drop when they are colored?

42 minutes ago, bfroberts said:

I saw this post yesterday and pulled out a tester I poured several months ago with this FO.  It's 6006 in a jelly jar with a CD8, and I'm on the first burn.  I'll let you know how it does in latter burns.  What parasoy are you using?

That’s great. Mine do alright until 3-4 hrs. I have some 6006 if it works for you I may try a tester of that wax. What % FO did you use? Don’t you love this scent? I make my own parasoy.

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57 minutes ago, NightLight said:

Try htp wicks. There are more sizes and the largest burns hotter than eco.

I tried up to 105 and it didn’t even come close to working. I’m only using one of those smaller straight sided amber jars too. It shouldn’t be this hard. 

On 3/28/2019 at 7:55 PM, Trappeur said:

I didn't have a problem using cd's but then again my wax is 464....sorry can't help much.

 

Trappeur

What size CD did you use in the 464? What size was your container? What % did you use? So, you didn't have any issues at all? Did you have to wick up at all? The soy in my para/soy blend is 415. They usually burn similar for me. I thought having the paraffin in there would make it easier, I guess not. 

On 3/29/2019 at 3:24 PM, NightLight said:

I have found this as well with smoky fragrances. What you could do if this is happening blend it with something you know burns well in your wax - of course it has to smell good but it will help with these type of fragrances.

If I decide to keep trying it, I think a mix is going to be the only way to make it work. 

On 3/29/2019 at 3:28 PM, NightLight said:

Are you using any other additives like titanium dioxide - that will kill your wick.

I don't use additives. I've never heard of TD in a candle. This is the only scent I'm having issues with. 

22 hours ago, Candybee said:

You could try the CSN wicks from CS. The flame burns tall on these wicks so it might just be enough to stand up to the FO. My other suggestion is the same as others have suggested and that's cut the % of fragrance load.

Just my luck I just gave away all my CSN wicks. That would be an interesting try.  I'm only doing 6 or 7%. This scent is so mellow, I can't go any lower than this or it's not worth doing. 

On 3/28/2019 at 7:45 PM, TallTayl said:

That stinks. Have you tried backing down on the load? 

 

I have a couple like that. If eco doesn’t cut it you’re kinda outta luck. You could try square braid, but something in ambers, especially sweet smelling ambers, kills wick fibers. Campfire smoke types are another that totally ruin my burns. 

I made one with 6% and another with 7%. Neither amounts are a lot really. It's pretty much the standard amount I use. I was surprised that Ecos didn't work too. MY first 6% tester did very well with a SQ#2. I thought if it can handle BW, it should be able to handle this FO. I started it from the halfway point in the jar. It did great until the end. It wasn't very strong so I upped it to 7%.Then the flame completely fizzled in the 3 hr with the same wick. Then, when I lit my brand new tester of 6% it did fine for 2, 4 hour burns, now it has a huge shroom, and a very large flame under the shroom. I get really annoyed when second testers don't burn the same as first testers.  I guess this is just one of those scents  I did a fabulous mix with it and patchouli in a soap that is incredible, so I guess it will just be for soap. 

Has anyone been successful wicking Flaming Candle's Amber & Oud? I'm using a para soy blend and I've been through CD, HTP, LX, Eco, and Square Braid. All of them drowned.  I really love this scent, I hate to give up. Maybe a good mixer to make it work?

33 minutes ago, Thecandlegirl said:

I know for a fact that they are just repackaging the wax and selling it. This is actually the same exact wax from candle and science. They both sale them for the same price too.  I know because I get the same wax however, I get it directly from the manufacturer. 

When you say "Candle and Science" do you mean Candlescience? because the Lab Co wax is nothing like any of candlescience waxes. 

17 hours ago, franu61 said:

Bringing this back to life.  I am hoping someone has some new favorites?  Anyone tried NG's sacred sandalwood or plain sandalwood.  What about candlesciene antique sandalwood or plain sandalwood.   

Unfortunately, both NG Sandalwoods are disappointing. And the antique sandalwood from CS isn't authentic either. It's a very strong woodsy scent, but not much sandalwood in there. Their newer sandalwood is more of a true sandalwood, but in soap it kinds of smells like burnt rubber to me. Not the smell I'm going for LOL. I didn't try it in a candle. Because CS customer service told me they had a lot of complaints about it, so I didn't pursue it. 

The best I've found so far OOB is one from Bitter Creek. They have 2.The one I like is from the original Bitter Creek South collection. Their other sandalwood isn't even close to the real thing.

And I also like one from Oregon Trails called Mysore Sandalwood. It sticks very well in soap. I haven't tried it in a candle. These two are the most authentic that I've found. The Mysore has some musk in it. The Mysore mixes very well with vanilla. It's a very big seller. I haven't used the one from BC much yet. I just recently found it. 

33 minutes ago, TallTayl said:

I agree with the coconut 1 and 2 assessment.  Just looking at the tech specs those are never going to work for a candle all alone.  I use coconut 92 in other products froma much cheaper source, and have tried formulating my own coconut wax from scratch for nearly 2 years now.  There’s something else going on, whether it’s technology or undisclosed ingredients, since nothing I’ve tried has come close to the texture of any retail format wax. I have a stock room full of every known veg wax, emulsifier, stabilizer, fatty alcohol, oil fraction, you name it. Nothing is as stable year round. Syneresis and migration of components is usually a pretty significant issue long term, especially with temperature variations as most homes have without even considering shipping.

 

Coconut 83/easybeads *is* marketed as stand alone with a melt point over 120.  That’s higher than many paraffin container waxes and close to soy wax.  The coconut waxes kind of gel before melting. It’s just next to impossible to wick.  I have every manufactured wick in North America and they all might work in one or two situations, but that’s it. They need to be blended - so down another rabbit hole we go.  

 

Adding beeswax stabilizes many coco nut waxes, but causes more soot potential in the slightest breeze or draft. You’re limited to wide containers where the soot won’t show easily. 

When I asked accu blend (the manufacturer of easy beads) if the wax had palm in it he wouldn't answer, and just kept saying he couldn't reveal what is in it. I was annoyed because most of my customers don't want to use palm products. I feel like not disclosing it is lying to them.  I think they add palm to the coconut waxes, that is how they get the higher mp and why it's a "B" to wick. I'm sure you've tried wicking straight palm when it was the rage. I never could get palm wicked. 

I don't know why easy beads is marketed as a stand alone wax. Especially when the manufacturer and the CA distributor both agree it isn't. I don't know if I believe the mp is 120. I worked with it quite a bit and it didn't even seem to have the 113-119 mp of 464.