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Decided to try and use some cp chunks up, so I did a clear overpour, but looks like my  "neon pink" took over.  Scented with velvet tuberose.  The scent is very light , not one I think I 'll order again. As you can see, a couple of no color soap chunks made it in the batch.

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That's cool. I love M&P over pours. I just wish I could use M&P more regularly. 

 I don't use it a lot, but just feeling my way through trying to use up those soap batches that didn't work out so well. I haven't tried useing up in cp itself yet, I figure I 'm bound to do it wrong---

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I just can't physically use it. Even the very good brands such as the sfic ones, leave me dry, itchy, and flaky. 

I will put in CP as embed toppers, and can use those once in a while. I think the CP combats a lot of it, but sometimes not. 

Is M & P actually a detergent?  I've read about formulas for them, sure is a lot of chemicals.  I've not had a skin reaction from them, but I don't use much of them as I'd rather do CP, its a little cheaper for me anyway :)

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There are a few so called 'natural' bases because they don't use sls or sles. SFIC is the best known but others like Brambleberry and Essentials by Catalina carries their own brand of natural bases.

 

Personally, my favorite bases of all are the Canadian ones sold at C&S. They are super sudsy and you can throw anything and everything in them and they still lather like a champ. Now that is my kind of M&P base where I can add oils, milks, butters, herbs, etc. to it in substantial amounts. Problem though is they always tend to be out of the base I need so I switched to the Chemistry Store bases as my backup. They carry the Stephensons bases which are very nice. Neither the Canadian or the Stephenson are sls free thou if that bothers you. But thats why they lather so wonderfully!!

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There are a few so called 'natural' bases because they don't use sls or sles. SFIC is the best known but others like Brambleberry and Essentials by Catalina carries their own brand of natural bases.

 

Personally, my favorite bases of all are the Canadian ones sold at C&S. They are super sudsy and you can throw anything and everything in them and they still lather like a champ. Now that is my kind of M&P base where I can add oils, milks, butters, herbs, etc. to it in substantial amounts. Problem though is they always tend to be out of the base I need so I switched to the Chemistry Store bases as my backup. They carry the Stephensons bases which are very nice. Neither the Canadian or the Stephenson are sls free thou if that bothers you. But thats why they lather so wonderfully!!

Candlewic, for sure, and Natures Garden, I'm fairly sure, sell the same Canadian M&P bases that Candles & Supplies sell. As Candy mentions C&S have a real issue with inventory. The last time I checked C&S had a 20% out-of-stock rate on M&P bases. That is unacceptable to me.

I'm unaware of any M&P soap bases that I did not test while looking for bases for our business. I have tested dozens of brands and styles. The Canadian bases excelled over all of the ones I tested for producing a rich and creamy lather. All of me testers agreed. The Coconut Oil type produced the best lather, but nearly all of the styles performed well. I agree with Candy that these bases are very adaptable and additive friendly.

Dave @ Charlotte Hall Country Candles & Soaps

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There are a few so called 'natural' bases because they don't use sls or sles. SFIC is the best known but others like Brambleberry and Essentials by Catalina carries their own brand of natural bases.

 

Personally, my favorite bases of all are the Canadian ones sold at C&S. They are super sudsy and you can throw anything and everything in them and they still lather like a champ. Now that is my kind of M&P base where I can add oils, milks, butters, herbs, etc. to it in substantial amounts. Problem though is they always tend to be out of the base I need so I switched to the Chemistry Store bases as my backup. They carry the Stephensons bases which are very nice. Neither the Canadian or the Stephenson are sls free thou if that bothers you. But thats why they lather so wonderfully!!

The sls doesnt really bother me, I love lather and suds, but I haven't as of yet found a M&P base that I'd reorder yet. I've read about Stephensons bases, that maybe a starting point, although I don't do much M&P, it is nice to use with my CP recipes sometimes.

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Candlewic, for sure, and Natures Garden, I'm fairly sure, sell the same Canadian M&P bases that Candles & Supplies sell. As Candy mentions C&S have a real issue with inventory. The last time I checked C&S had a 20% out-of-stock rate on M&P bases. That is unacceptable to me.

I'm unaware of any M&P soap bases that I did not test while looking for bases for our business. I have tested dozens of brands and styles. The Canadian bases excelled over all of the ones I tested for producing a rich and creamy lather. All of me testers agreed. The Coconut Oil type produced the best lather, but nearly all of the styles performed well. I agree with Candy that these bases are very adaptable and additive friendly.

Dave @ Charlotte Hall Country Candles & Soaps

Thank you, I'm going to check the Coconut Oil type out, I love lather :)

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Thank you, I'm going to check the Coconut Oil type out, I love lather :)

Send me a PM with your mailing address and I'll mail you a slice (bar) from a five pound block I bought from Candlewic. The Hemp Oil base makes great lather, too. The Goat's Milk is a best seller. There is a market actually for all of their bases, I've found.

Dave

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In defense of M&P;

 

Nearly all of my adult life I struggled with dandruff and itchy scalp. I also have been cursed with sensitive facial skin. I've even had to get treatment twice at our local hospital's emergency ward after using nationally branded male cosmetic products.

 

I now use M&P soap from head to toe. The lather is so dense and creamy when I use it on my head (I'm blessed with thick hair.) that I use it to shave with. I've had NO scalp or facial issues since I started working with M&P.

 

If I were to end selling it today, I would continue making M&P soap for myself and family. It's that good and so easy once you master the basics.

 

JMO/HTH

 

Dave

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Its been a while since I used the bases from Candlewic. But the ones I did use are not anything like the Canadian bases I got from C&S. My opinion was they are of poor quality and I only purchased them on an extremely limited basis.

 

So has Candlewic switched to the Canadian bases and are you sure about that because my experience was much different when I used to buy them.

 

Okay I just went to both sites and compared the ingredients listing for the clear base. It is definitely not the same base. The key ingredients like coconut oil and liquid vegetable glycerine that make the Canadian bases so great are missing in Candlewic's clear base. They are subbing those ingredients with more chemicals instead of the easily obtained and inexpensive natural ingredients.

 

It looks like the coconut base may be the same but I would double check if it were me buying. Those seemingly small changes or substitutes can make the difference between a good base and a mediocre base.

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Dear Candy;

 

Candlewic did change their M&P line. They used to sell a base that was a proprietary label for them. I think it was called "Expressions".  The base they now sell is identical in every way including label and packaging as C&S.

 

I tried to edit my previous post and spent a half hour typing only to lose it when I was advised that I was not permitted to edit when I went to enter it. DANG!!!

 

I don't feel like retyping it right now, but I would like to add that I'm not trying to impress anyone that I am "Soap Smart". To the contrary! I continue to maintain that I am "Soap Stupid".

 

My best wishes to all of those making choices in the quest for great soap!

 

I'm off to make some candles! The leaves are beginning to fall!  YIKES !!!

 

Dave

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Well you can check on both Candlewic, C&S, and NG's websites and clearly see the ingredients listed are not the same. Packaging for many M&P bases look identical to others so I can understand how you might make that assumption. You have to pay attention to the actual ingredients listed and also the order in which they are listed. What I have seen they are not the same.

 

I do like the ingredients listed for the NG bases and they have an SLS free version which is a nice option. They don't carry a basic white which is a shame. From what I have read I would definitely sample the NG bases.

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I don't believe that I'm actually typing this, but I guess it needs to be cleared up for the benefit of members who are searching for M&P bases to work with.

 

The two clear bases that Candy compared are not marketed as the same. One (C&S) is marketed as "Ultra Clear" while CW's is marketed as "Clear".  The ingredients on these bases between the companies are not the same. I agree with Candy there.

 

It's been my experience that several companies stock different versions of clear "types" in their own inventories.  The ingredients do vary among them. I really can't offer any other advice on a clear-type soap base other than to state I had no issues with CW's Clear Soap Base for myself or reports from testers. It is a bit more "cloudy" than I'd prefer, however.

 

I checked on the following from websites which CS & CW both stock. The Ingredients are identical both in name and in order between both suppliers. I also compared labels on those bases that I acquired from CW that I currently have on hand. They are the same as those they have listed on their website.

 

These soaps are sold by both companies. The ingredients are identical on both websites. Any member so inclined can check them out for themselves;

 

Cocoa Butter

White Base

Olive Oil

Hemp Oil

Honey

Goats Milk

Mango Butter

Soy Milk

 

CW also stocks;  (C&S does not show these in their catalog.)

 

Coconut Oil & Oatmeal ; The basic ingredients on these are the same as their other soap bases with only the principal additive varying.

 

C&S also Stocks;  (CW does not show these in their catalog.)

 

Green Tea

 

I remain convinced that the bases sold by both companies are the same.

 

NOTE;

 

C&S lists 24 SKU's of M&P Soap Bases. Currently 8 are out of stock.

 

Several show a "back in stock" due date of 7/16/14. Today is 9/16/14 !!  1/3 OUT OF STOCK !!  For how long? Is a crafter who resells product able to endure this situation and remain in the business of making and selling soap if they buy from this company? I'm not!

 

PRICES;

 

C&W  $4.40 / 2 lbs.   -   $20.40 / 10 lbs.  (All types)   (Volume discount available) 

 

C&S  $5.40 to 5.60 / 2 lbs.   -   $24.00 to $28.00 / 10 lbs. (Varies by Type)  (Volume discount available)

 

I have a ton of respect for Candy both as a crafter and a friend. I know she is a master soaper/chandler and very experienced with M&P. Actually much of what I know about M&P soap was gleaned from her postings on this board.

 

I'm aware that CW used to sell another M&P soap base. I managed to get some and was very disappointed in the quality. If that was the soap base she tested, I can understand why she would be reluctant to purchase base from CW.

 

I'm not trying to convince her or anyone that I know better. I don't.

 

I will never be as talented as her in the world of B&B marketing. I am however, stating that I was a bit luckier than her WHEN I tested CW's soap bases.

 

Love to you all!

 

Dave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wish I were able to edit the above, but alas . . .No doing!

 

I forgot to mention Nature's Garden.

 

As I initially wrote I only thought there was a chance that their soap base was the same as CW and CS. After checking it out, it appears they are not,  There are some differences in the ingredients and order they are listed in.  I did notice that each base's listing contained the attached disclaimer. I thought others might be interested, too.

 

Peace!

 

Dave

 

Disclaimer:  The following ingredients have been provided by our manufacturer.  We have not had these ingredients confirmed by an independent lab due to the fact that having reverse engineering done for each soap and every batch of soap we buy from the manufacturer would be far too cost prohibitive for our small company.  Natures Garden does not manufacturer or label our melt and pour soap bases; our manufacturer does this. Our soap bases are manufactured in a facility that also manufactures melt and pour soap bases that contain propylene glycol.  It is a possibility that our bases, whether listed on the label or not, contain propylene glycol.  The process of making melt and pour soap is proprietary information that only the manufacturer knows.  All of the soaps listed below are considered "SOAP", and are regulated by the Consumer Product Safety Commission. Our manufacturer is under no obligation to provide an ingredient listing for "soap", but he did so as a courtesy to our customers.   As long as you do not make any claims besides these soap bases being "soap", you are not required to list the ingredients on your labels. For "soap" (not cosmetics), the Consumer Product Safety Commission mandates that the following information be listed on your label:
  1. Text on the package that identifies the product as "Soap"
  2. Name and address of your business 
  3. Net weight of product
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All of this information is invaluable!! Thank you all so much. 

Because I can't use the M&P for extended periods, therefore testing becomes difficult it's nice to read this. I appreciate it. 

It's been many years since I've tried using M&P and with all the advances it sounds like a lot of the bases have made, maybe I can start using it again? Maybe I'll pick some up and give it a whirl! 

 

Thank you again. :) 

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Well thank you for clarifiying that Dave! I thought I was going crazy.

 

I can see that the goat milk base carried by C&S and CW are the same. I am not going to check out all the bases as I trust they are all from the same company. I was checking the clear bases and both are definitely different as were the NG bases. Just so we are clear those from NG are definitely different bases from C&S.

 

In that case I am glad that CW is carrying them as they are very nice bases. Can't vouch for the clear base as that is not one I have tried but I do know the ultra clear from C&S is very nice.

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7Pawz-- I'm sorry about hijacking your thread. I really do like your chunk soap. It reminds me about the first time I ever saw it. It was at a craft show and they made theirs in a white base instead of the clear. The chunks were pink colored and look wonderful in the soap. Made the soap look so creamy like yogurt with fruit in it. I like chunky soap both ways in clear and in an opaque base.

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7Pawz-- I'm sorry about hijacking your thread. I really do like your chunk soap. It reminds me about the first time I ever saw it. It was at a craft show and they made theirs in a white base instead of the clear. The chunks were pink colored and look wonderful in the soap. Made the soap look so creamy like yogurt with fruit in it. I like chunky soap both ways in clear and in an opaque base.

Not a problelm: :)  glad that my little soap got a good discussion going,  picked up some great information thats going to help out a little bit. I really didn't know if the cp chunks would embed the way I wanted, I actually saw the soap made like you mentioned as all M& P, I just decided to mix the two.  The dye I used was neon red from tkb, so I didn't have to add much for the color I wanted.  The over pour was a scrap piece left over.   I just unmolded some cp and colored it neon green, the top of the bar turned a little tan, but the body seems to be curing out a green color, not neon, but enough green, like a lime.

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Dave- thank you for all of the information!  I have not yet tried the bases from Candlewic, have tried many others but mainly the goal milk.  I will have to try the coconut oil one now, didn't even think of considering this one!  So many options out there too :)   7Pawz- your soap is so pretty with the imbeds, love the pink color!- I tried doing imbeds once and they all melted together when I did the overpour, so I obviously need to practice this more!

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Dave- thank you for all of the information!  I have not yet tried the bases from Candlewic, have tried many others but mainly the goal milk.  I will have to try the coconut oil one now, didn't even think of considering this one!  So many options out there too :)   7Pawz- your soap is so pretty with the imbeds, love the pink color!- I tried doing imbeds once and they all melted together when I did the overpour, so I obviously need to practice this more!

7Pawz- your soap is so pretty with the imbeds, love the pink color!- I tried doing imbeds once and they all melted together when I did the overpour, so I obviously need to practice this more!

 

thank you, it was just luck that it worked  :) 

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