njcandle Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 This only happened in 1 or 2 of my jars out of 12.. I am new to this so bear with me if it is an obvious issue.. Thanks a bunch in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessex Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) I am assuming this is soy wax? If so, it is a common issue called frosting. It can be caused by certain FO's and colors, as well as pour temperatures and many other factors. Use the search feature and search for frosting and you will find tons of info on it.Cheers,Steve Edited March 13, 2011 by Wessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's frosting. There's a lot written about it here in the veggie wax forum. You can research by using the Google site tool (see "helpful Tips for Newbies" in the General Candlemaking section for instructions on how to use the search tools) and looking up frosting and the type of wax you are using. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 (edited) Yup. Frosting. Annoying isn't it?!!If its caused by an additive like color or scent it helps to try out one at a time to determine the culprit so you can eliminate or replace it with a different one.You can also try different heating and pouring temps. Try to find the manufacturers recommendations to help you get started. Also like Stella mentioned there are lots of posts and info here re frosting and techniques to help prevent it.If you mention the wax you are using and what you heated and poured at you may get some tips. Edited March 13, 2011 by Candybee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewls819 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Welcome to the wonderful world of soy.:smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursenancy Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Welcome to the wonderful world of soyditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njcandle Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share Posted March 14, 2011 Using GB 464.. Heated up to 150 and then put dye and FO in.. Heated up to 180-185 and backed off the heat.. Let cool down to 150 and poured hot.. I tried using the manufacturers recs on another pour a week ago and did the heat to 180 and added dye and FO and backed off to cool to 130 and poured cooler.. The tops were all mangled with moon craters so I went with a hot pour and it worked quite well except for this frosting on one of them.. Funny thing was, i did two pours with this FO.. One in this jar and one in a mason jar at the same time.. The mason jar is perfect and this one.. Well, not so much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nursenancy Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Is there any chance that the jar was dusty or dirty? Every once in awhile I'll get a candle with frosting but not much. I just deal with it, pretty much. I use 444. Never tried the 464. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAgirl89 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I'm working with 464 too and I pour at 160/170. I also had the problem with crater and bumpy tops when pouring at a cooler temp. 464 wax has been very good to me. Edited March 14, 2011 by PAgirl89 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njcandle Posted March 14, 2011 Author Share Posted March 14, 2011 I washed each on of them and dried with a papertowel.. Hopefully this doesn't happen too much but I will read up on the information arleady posted on this forum to try to find the issue.. Thanks for all the advice!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScentedLuxuries Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I gave up a long time ago on trying to get rid of frost. It's the nature of soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Ummm, washing them will not accomplish anything. Soy wax is polymorphic - it changes crystal form depending on temperature and other conditions. Ever seen cooled shortening in a pan that has a sparkly, crystal surface? It didn't start out in that form, but heating and cooling encouraged the growth of those type of crystals. Same thing with soy wax, which is simply super- hydrogenated soybean oil with a few veggie oils and additives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricofAZ Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) I am absolutely not a soy perfectionist. I use soy. Heat it to temps that the presto says are on the A of wArm, which probably are higher than your temps. I pour at that temp.I don't have tops problems other than around the wick and sometimes I hit it with a heat gun and sometimes I don't.I gave up on scenting. I can not get soy to throw no matter what I do. The only time I had pits in the tops was when I poured cool like you are. Edited March 14, 2011 by EricofAZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsbennis Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Ummm, washing them will not accomplish anything. Soy wax is polymorphic - it changes crystal form depending on temperature and other conditions. Ever seen cooled shortening in a pan that has a sparkly, crystal surface? It didn't start out in that form, but heating and cooling encouraged the growth of those type of crystals. Same thing with soy wax, which is simply super- hydrogenated soybean oil with a few veggie oils and additives.I know this is off topic but this reminds me of a thread awhile ago. One of the board members decided to test burn a can of crisco, he put a wick in it and lit it up, he also did that with several other items, wish I could find that thread, does anyone remember that:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bella Rose Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Interesting! ^ I'd like to read that thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candybee Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I know this is off topic but this reminds me of a thread awhile ago. One of the board members decided to test burn a can of crisco, he put a wick in it and lit it up, he also did that with several other items, wish I could find that thread, does anyone remember that:confused:I remember that thread. It was Alan and he used more than a can of crisco to make a candle. Its on the old board. Anyway here it is and its a hoot:http://www.candletech.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Discussions;action=display;num=1100670458;start=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Over and over again, people report that when using 464 or NatureWax C3, pouring hot works best for them ~ 165°F. Also, over and over, people report that pouring slushy works best for them ~ 120-125°F. Anything in between is where problems begin to occur.I am absolutely not a soy perfectionist... I gave up on scenting. I can not get soy to throw no matter what I do.Eric, sorry to fuss but, you make statements like that then turn around and give advice??? Heat it to temps that the presto says are on the A of wArm, which probably are higher than your temps. I pour at that temp.There is a thing called a thermometer. It should be used in the Presto. One should NOT rely on the "A" of warm on the dial to pour wax! No two Prestos heat exactly the same. Use a thermometer. In the wax. In the pour pot. Temperature is important when making soy wax candles.I gave up a long time ago on trying to get rid of frost. It's the nature of soy. People try their best but some give up. It's the nature of humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wessex Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 (edited) Meow! Kitty got claws, LOL.Anyway, not selling soy candles here, have tested different soy waxes but way too much on my plate with my Palm wax line. But all the soy waxes I test poured looked WAY better when poured hot (165-180), with very little or no frosting and no wet spots. Most had good tops, but some had to be hit with the heat gun. Also had really good luck with all the HT. Tested 464, 444, 415 and C-3.HTH,Steve Edited March 14, 2011 by Wessex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsbennis Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I remember that thread. It was Alan and he used more than a can of crisco to make a candle. Its on the old board. Anyway here it is and its a hoot:http://www.candletech.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Discussions;action=display;num=1100670458;start=0Thanks Candybee, that was some good stuff...lol Its been a while, I'm going to read it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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