BACKWOODS Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I am currently using Nature Wax in 8 oz Square Masons with a HTP 104 wickwith great results, but I am not 100% happy with Nature Wax. There is some frosting and some fragrance oil bleeding (although not too bad). I am going to start testing Eco-Soya Pure, and I was wondering how everyone else is wicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Bug Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Hi. Just wondered what % FO you were using? Thanks. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 I don't have experience with that container specifically, but I recently tested C-3 against the EcoSoyas and I think you will be wicking down with any of them, most especially with EcoSoya CB-Advanced 2. Just to take an educated wild-ass guess, I'd say maybe start testing 1 size down, or 2 sizes with the CB-Adv.If frosting is your issue then CB-Pure may not be the way to go. It has the most frost of any of them, though I have to say it produces some of the least objectionable looking frost I've seen. Kind of an attractive subtly mottled surface that sent me in search of clay crocks because I thought it would look perfect in them.Keep in mind C-3 is not 100% soy so there's no need to limit yourself to that. I think you might like the CB-135. It's not dissimilar to C-3 but it's easier to wick and performs well. For maximum aesthetics and virtually no frost, CB-Advanced 2 would be the way to go, with a little stearic. It has the lowest MP of the 3 and is exceedingly easy to wick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scentlady Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Which ecosoya do you think has the best hot throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 18, 2005 Share Posted November 18, 2005 Which ecosoya do you think has the best hot throw.I'll let you know. I have a tester of each put away to cure. Maybe this weekend I'll haul them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BACKWOODS Posted November 22, 2005 Author Share Posted November 22, 2005 I am using 6% fragrance, but I am only getting fragrance "bleeding " when there is a drastic change in room temp. Like transferring them from a cold car to room temp for a show, or in the summer when it is an outside show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Which ecosoya do you think has the best hot throw.I think the CB-Pure and CB-135 are fairly comparable in hot throw. I also compared cold throw and CB-Pure seems to be the best with CB-135 almost as good. These two waxes have a lot of differences that might influence which you want to use, but scent throw doesn't seem like it would be the deciding factor.I did the cold and hot throw comparisons after 10 days of curing. CB-Advanced 2 clearly took a back seat to the other two in scent throw. Its main advantage is ease of wicking and remarkable frost resistance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scentlady Posted November 22, 2005 Share Posted November 22, 2005 Thanks for the info Top. I've only used CB-135 so far so I had nothing to compare it to, but I am going to try the wax from Golden Brand to see how it compares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted November 23, 2005 Share Posted November 23, 2005 Thanks for the info Top. I've only used CB-135 so far so I had nothing to compare it to, but I am going to try the wax from Golden Brand to see how it compares.Good luck. It's fun to try new waxes but all you get is a new set of weirdnesses. I've had my fill for a while and am going to adopt CB-135. It's been performing like a champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcash Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 It sounds like you may have an issue with your FO load and not the wax. Some FOs are very concentrated and viscous, adding a 6% load may be too much. When you have a cold candle and bring it into a warm room, the wax will expand and any extra FO that did not completely bind to the wax will seep right through. Try cutting ack first, a 3% load will give you a strong scent throw, and will reduce the problems you are experiencing. make sure the wax cures for about 48 hours before changing its environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack be nimble Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hey Top, You said C-3 was not 100% soy,Do you know what they add to make it not?And also I have never had FO bleeding in my C-3 wax,I have tried Eco-ad and 135 and with my experience C-3 was the better of the bunch.Just my 2 cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 These comparisons are all so interesting. I have tried several brands in the past two weeks, C1, C3, EL Container, EL Millenium and GW464. Using a ratio of 1oz to 1# of the same scent in each, and the only one that had any bleed was the C3. Cooling and curing were the same for each. This was a disappointment because in my limited experience, aside from the small sinkhole in the top, I thought the C3 had the best "texture" and appearance overall. Rocky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFTS Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Keep in mind C-3 is not 100% soy so there's no need to limit yourself to that. I think you might like the CB-135. It's not dissimilar to C-3 but it's easier to wick and performs well. For maximum aesthetics and virtually no frost, CB-Advanced 2 would be the way to go, with a little stearic. It has the lowest MP of the 3 and is exceedingly easy to wick.where did you hear it isn't all soy? The site I buy it from says it is (JBN). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandgirl Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 This was part of my email to Cargill:I am interested in the C-3 Wax.Any information on this wax would be greatly appreciated. All the websites I have viewed seem a little unclear about the ingredients. Suppliers have told me it was 100% soy, but information I read says it is vegetable based. This is part of an email I got from Cargill regarding the C-3 Wax:Our wax is made from soybean oil which is under the classification of vegatable oils. The product contains a certain amount of additives to help improve functionality but does not contain botanical oils. HTH: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hey Top,You said C-3 was not 100% soy,Do you know what they add to make it not?And also I have never had FO bleeding in my C-3 wax,I have tried Eco-ad and 135 and with my experience C-3 was the better of the bunch.Just my 2 cents.I remember someone saying that stearic was one of the ingredients but I don't know if that's accurate. I wouldn't let a technicality about the formulation concern you if you like the wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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