firegirl Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Okay.. I tried to make some FFB sugar scrub.. and I am not sure if I am doing this correctly! I added :40oz FFB1 ounce AKO1 ounce SAO2 cups of Sugar1 ounce FOLiqua Par OptimaI added the FBB with the oils(minus the fo and preservative) and whipped the snot out of it until it doubled. I added the frgrance oil ( about 1/2 ounce) and the preservative. (which I am also confused about.. how much for this recipe? ) Once I folded in the preservative and fo, my FBB lost the whip... it kind of collapsed and got somewhat runny. Is this normal? Once I added the sugar, it was too late.. my mixture is kind of runny and not all whipped. Now a day later, the sugar has all disolved as well. Could anyone provide either a good recipe and instructions so that I can make some nice fluffy sugar scrub that I feel the scrub in? I would really appreciate any help!Thanks!Teri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kymber Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I haven't worked with mine yet....just spent a lot of time reading up on it. I have read several places that if you "over-whip" it it will deflate. The one recipe I looked at actually had 5#'s of sugar added to it.....and about 8-10 oz of oils (maybe more) and that was to 2.5# of FBB. I have also read that it absorbs the sugar...so you need to add about twice as much as you think is enough...LOL And then add a little more to that! If I am remembering this right....this particular FBB base already has some preservative added to it? So not sure if it is neccesary to add even more unless you are adding a ton of oils and butters. Hopefully someone who has worked with it will come along and answer some of your questions. I was going to whip up a batch of mine this weekend to try it out.......hopefully I will find time to do that! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristineG Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I gave up yesterday evening trying to make sugar scrubs using FBB. The sugar dissolves. I even upped the sugar. 4.5 cups of sugar to 2.5 lbs of FBB. After a week, the sugar dissolved and left nothing but sticky icky FBB. I've tried all types of sugar. Nothing works. I think if you're going to use FBB for a sugar scrub, it's for personal use and something you will use right away. You can read the posts here where I was having similar problems. : http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46553 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luci Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I haven't had the problem of it collapsing--yet. I also have not had a problem with the sugar dissolving. I use a combo of turbinado and white sugars with more oil than what you use along with shealoe. I don't have my recipe right here with me or I would give you exacts. However, if you don't use at least 2 oz of oils pp for the basic fbb, it will be somewhat drying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 You had overwhipped it and that is why it collapsed. There is some great info in the link below. I melt mine to 120 degrees. They do not. I like it better melted. Do not melt it to temps higher then 125 degrees though. If this is the one from Lorrie's coop it already has preservatives in it no need to add more unless you go over the 2 oz of oil pp of fbb. I start to mix it and put it in the freezer for a 5 minutes then I take it out and whip more. I then add 2 ozs of oil pp of fbb. Ako, almond, or grapeseed work well. You can use any combo you like too. I add it slowly and then I sometimes put it back in freezer for a few mins. I take it out and whip more add fo slowly as it starts to thicken. As It is almost doubled I stop and stir in by hand the sugar. you have to gently stir the sugar in until the point of saturation. It will keep disolving, you just keep adding more. Have a 5 lb bag of sugar ready you may not need all of it. after you see it is not dissolving anymore, Let it sit for an hour or 2 and see if it needs more sugar. add the sugar slowly and fold it into the scrub gently. I also add about 1/4th cup of oatmeal ( for a 2.5 lb batch of fbb) to mine as I add the first batch of sugar. When I add the oatmeal it doesn't take as much sugar. It is important you add the extra ingredients slowly and before it is whipped all the way. http://www.chemistrystore.com/foaming_bath_butter.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firegirl Posted March 17, 2007 Author Share Posted March 17, 2007 Thanks to all of you for some input! I have read where it needs to be whipped up to 10 minutes and then where others only whip for 5 minutes.. I only whipped for about 1 minute max! I use the Kitchenaid stick blender with the whipping attachment.. this sucker makes this stuff double in about 30 seconds.. I doubted the time frame and kept on whipping. It could very well be my blender.. more revolutions per minute than most, thus incorporating more air. I just might have to try thicker sugar and melt this stuff down like you would for a whipped shea.. I am happy to hear that you don't need to add any more preservative.. My mix does not seem overly drying, but I just want that fluffy stiff hand spreadable sugar scrub! I will keep trying at it.. I bought 20 pounds of this from the coop and I would hate for it to go to waste! Thanks for the instructions.. it will surely help!Teri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 I use a KA but it is not a stickblender type. I would use a handmixer if I were you and melt it. Good luck with it. It makes a great shaving soap (cream) too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorrie Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 Ok ladies what I do when I make my sugar scrub is..If I am using 40 oz of fbb I add 40 oz of sugar to it.If I have 4 oz of liquid oils I add 4 oz of sugar to that.I whip my fbb first than add the liquid oil to the butter and rewhip making sure not to over whip. When I add my preservative I only figure it on the sugar because the fbb all ready has preservative in it.I carefully add preservative and fragrance and fold this into the mixture.I don't use a KA because I don't own one. I have a regular hand mixer. I haven't had any problems with my sugar dissolving.Hope this all makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristineG Posted March 17, 2007 Share Posted March 17, 2007 :yay:Thanks Lorrie!! I'm going to try it your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firegirl Posted March 18, 2007 Author Share Posted March 18, 2007 Yep.. me too! Thanks for the help! I am definitely overwhipping my soap... Thanks!Teri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 LovelyLathers..do you use oatmeal whole or ground? And does anyone add color? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 LovelyLathers..do you use oatmeal whole or ground? And does anyone add color?I use it ground up..well really it is chopped up in my chopper. Some pieces are powdery others a little larger. I don't color mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Ty very much ...What is Lorrie's coop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristineG Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Ty very much ...What is Lorrie's coop?http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46779 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I can not access that page does she have a web site.....thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I can not access that page does she have a web site.....thanksyou have to be a member for 30 days and have I believe it is 10 posts to access it . I am not sure if she has a website to get this on. I am sure she will pop on here and let you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Hi sosweet, I think the reason you can't see the co-op info is that you're too new to the forum. I think you have to be a member for X amount of days and have X amount of posts before you can join in a coop. Not sure what "X" represents in this case, though.....Ooops I see LovelyLathers beat me to the punch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KristineG Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 I can not access that page does she have a web site.....thanksI'm so sorry:sad2:. I didn't notice your join date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 18, 2007 Share Posted March 18, 2007 Thank you all very much......hope everyone is having a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 can i use optiphen or germall plus for my preserv....in Fbb and sugar scrub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovelyLathers Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 can i use optiphen or germall plus for my preserv....in Fbb and sugar scrubMaybe this will help you. If you read down there is a list of what to use in what application. http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=199218#post199218 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luci Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 John at Chemistry Store told me to use Germaden II when using fbb in a sugar scrub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressC Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Since it already has preservatives in it (at least the version at the Chemistry Store does), why do you need to add more??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luci Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 I was told to add preservative equivalent to 1% of the added sugar. I also add shealoe, so I had to also take that into consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sosweet15022 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 ty very much im going to use kangaroo blue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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