julie c Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ok, I've mastered CP. Love it! My problem I'm having is my soap always discolors. I'm using my candle safe oil. I've tried strawberry crunch and pink sugar. Is there an additive that soap makers use??? Or maybe people use essential oils?? I've seen pink sugar soap and the bars are white with nice pink swirls!! Mine looks aweful brown.Can anyone pass their knowledge on this. My soap is fine otherwise, I hate to give my friends some of my ugly bars. They're probably expecting a white pretty soap!!!! UGH! Thank you!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsDammit Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Pink sugar smells soooo good that I don't care bout the color. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magsglass Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ok, I've mastered CP. Love it! My problem I'm having is my soap always discolors. I'm using my candle safe oil. Hi Julie! Did you mean to say that you're using soap safe fragrance oils, or maybe B&B safe oils? The reason I ask is because candle fragrances are not safe to use for soap unless they're specifically marked safe for soap and/or B&B use. Just an FYI for ya. You'll find that vanilla-ish fragrances discolor soap. It's the nature of the vanilla beast, I guess. I do recall seeing somewhere that there is a Pink Sugar FO that doesn't discolor, but I can't recall who the supplier is. Hopefully someone else can respond on that for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbrown Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think maybe you need to look at your recipe. Are the oils that you use the reason for the discoloring? I know recipes that have a high percentage of olive oil or cocoa butter will turn tan. I had this problem earlier on and I did not understand why until I did a little research and learned what oils to use to get a whiter/lighter bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty1_AJ Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Yes, agree with the previous poster who said vanillin in your fo's will turn soap brown. The more vanillin, the darker the discoloration, in general.You can try not scenting your swirl portion; it stands a much better chance of holding its color if there's no fo in there. And there are lots of fo's out there that don't discolor. You can check to see which ones don't on a fragrance review board for cp soapmakers. Also, if a fragrance oil discolors only slightly, you can add some TD to your soap to keep it white.Happy soaping! Edited to add that TD is titanium dioxide, a commonly used whitening agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie c Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi!! thank you for all of your replys. Yes I used B&B safe fo. I don't use olive oil or cocoa butter in my recipe. So the TD is an additive I can buy to get my soaps white? Also, I can check to see that some B&B fo won't discolor. THe supplier will give that info? Thanks again, Julie:rolleyes2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mountainmadness Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 A lot of companies will test their FO in CP soap and will note the results in the description. I know that Brambleberry, The Scent Works, SweetCakes, etc. do.HTH.Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smart tart Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Oregon Trails is another supplier that will note discoloration...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie c Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Awesome! Thank you:yay: . Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca_IA Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The TD won't make a brown soap completely white. It lessens the effect of the darker color, and in some cases, it doesn't lighten at all. Be sure not to add too much TD, that in itself can cause problem.Sign up at www.thescentreview.com all FO are listed under the company. When you find the FO, read the reviews. Some users are very specific, others use abbreviations, which can make it hard to read a review for a new soaper. "A" means accelerated. "D" means discolored (and they usually note the amount of discoloring and what it discolored too). If you find one that discolored tan or med brown, I'd say that would be one to try out the TD on and see what you get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grumpy Girl Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I say embrace your brown soapies!There's not a damn thing you can do about it anyway, might as well love 'em for what they are.I think I hold a record for completely unexpected brown soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie c Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Rebecca, I went to the website, not seeing the companies you said to look for and check their fo's. What is it under? ALso where in world to buy TD? I checked a few candle/soapmaking places, they don't sell, How MUCH to add per lb???? Thanks soooo much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca_IA Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Rebecca, I went to the website, not seeing the companies you said to look for and check their fo's. What is it under? ALso where in world to buy TD? I checked a few candle/soapmaking places, they don't sell, How MUCH to add per lb???? Thanks soooo much!!!Julie, I'm so sorry about that. I gave you the wrong website.Here is the correct address:http://scentreviewboard.obisoap.ca/You'll have to register and wait for approval. Once you get approved, go there and sign in. Then you'll find a section in this forum for each FO company out there (or at least the very large majority of them) and under each company are the FO's they sell that have been rated.Once again, sorry for giving you the wrong address.Regarding the TD. I'm not sure who sells it. I bought it from a coop here at CT. The amount to use should be listed at the supplier's site (it's a pretty small amount). I'd look at www.brambleberry.com or www.the-sage.com and see if they have it there. I believe you'll want to look under their colorants area for the TD.There are 2 kinds of TD, oil soluable and water soluable. Both work the same, it just depends upon what you mix it with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie c Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Thank you Rebecca, you have been very helpful! I've registered, so I'll wait for approval and check it out. Maybe I have fo here that will not discolor and not have to get TD, for now anyway!Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wait a minute, there's a pink sugar out there that doesn't discolor? Day-Star lists its CP results as well. Solas is working on adding it to the siteI thought Tony's had results at one time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca_IA Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Wait a minute, there's a pink sugar out there that doesn't discolor? I got a bar of soap in a swap that was pink sugar, and it was discolored, but not nearly like SW PS. She used a WSP additive that keeps the vanilla from browning (I think) and she used another supplier's FO, but I don't remember which one. The color ended up lighter than tan, maybe by a smidge or two.I do believe that Eugenia and I discussed this bar here in some thread. If you don't find the thread where it's talked about, I'll try to remember to look for it later (if you want it) and if I can't find it, I'll pm the woman who made the soap and ask her again how she did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 I'll go hunting for it lol! I just ignored all PS posts because the end result was always brown lol. Wow if it's somewhat correctable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Fos that turn to brown provide a great opportunity for a blind swirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryann Posted October 8, 2006 Share Posted October 8, 2006 The TD won't make a brown soap completely white. It lessens the effect of the darker color, and in some cases, it doesn't lighten at all. Be sure not to add too much TD, that in itself can cause problem.Sign up at www.thescentreview.com all FO are listed under the company. When you find the FO, read the reviews. Some users are very specific, others use abbreviations, which can make it hard to read a review for a new soaper. "A" means accelerated. "D" means discolored (and they usually note the amount of discoloring and what it discolored too). If you find one that discolored tan or med brown, I'd say that would be one to try out the TD on and see what you get.I agree TD only lessens the brown color. Using nonscented swirls is how I get around it. I found that RE's Pink Sugar when using TD darkened to a tan at a little less than 1oz per lb. I forgot the TD and used 1oz pp once it it immediately turned dark brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharon in KY Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 SW's PS turns CP soap a very dark brown. Smells great but it sure is ugly for such a pretty name. Maybe call it Spun Brown Sugar. I would only make it in a M&P with the vanilla stablizer so it would stay pink or light unless you find one from another company that doesn't turn. I just hate brown soap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julie c Posted October 9, 2006 Author Share Posted October 9, 2006 Yep... blind swirl is the way to go on the brown ones. Just like to know which scents turn brown so I don't scent the whole batch!! I'll check the suppliers scents before I do another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca_IA Posted October 9, 2006 Share Posted October 9, 2006 For SW PS - I sprinkle pink mica on the bottom of the mold and on top of the soap as soon as it's poured. It looks really good against the dark brown. I also use a fork to make a pattern on top of the soap before I sprinkle the mica.SW PS will not take a blink swirl. Regardless of what I have done, the swirl has been taken over and eventually turned dark brown. ICS's PS does not take over the blind swirl like SW's does. But after a few months of curing, IMO, it doesn't smell as good as SW's does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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