CandleCouture Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Jason from GB feels that a composition of 90-95% soy wax, and 5-10% universal soy additive, increases max FO retention to about 20% total, for the wax. Now, having said this, and, assuming it's true (and I did verify with him we were talking about a 20% total load, as opposed to INCREASING BY 20%), my questions are two-fold:1-Would this much USA have the same effect as adding too much Vybar, which binds the oil and actually weakens a wax's hot throw?2-Would adding this much USA change the wax's properties, such as melt point, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geekrunner Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 From what I've gleaned from the many posts from our resident chemist, topofmurrayhill, USA is a vegetable based emulsifier. It definitely has a higher MP than soy, since it is the last to melt when I heat the stuff in a pour pot with soy. It should raise the MP of the soy, not sure if it makes the soy harder. As far as excessive amounts binding the FO, I don't believe it does. I have used up to 5% and got good cold throw. I'm not sure anyone would want a candle to have a 20% FO load, that would be pretty hard on sensitive nasal and eye tissue, unless one were burning it in a large house with ceiling fans, and wanted to have one candle to smell up the whole house. And also consider the increase in a candle's cost with that much FO. 20% load in a 16 oz candle is 3.2 oz, and at $1 per oz that drives the selling price up by $6.00.Not that there's anything wrong with that geek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleCouture Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 anyone else have any experience with the USA? (you seek, Geekrunner...it's catching on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candlewitch Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 CC, When you actually do some testing yourself. The board would love to know the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleCouture Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 The wax and additive are on the way, however, I was asking people with experience for their opinions. Clearly you have none, and have nothing to share, so, again, clearly, the question didn't apply to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystical_angel1219 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 CC, When you actually do some testing yourself. The board would love to know the outcome.Enough already, your sandbox is calling you. CC- May I ask why you are bumping the FO load to 20%?Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris77 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I just started testing with USA....I don't have it right yet....my colors are changing with the additive. I'm finding pouring temps and cooling temps are affecting color Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandleCouture Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 I'm really not. I was just shocked to hear that it could hold that much. I will test and see what happens. Also, as for colors, I'm not coloring my candles, so I don't mind that too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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