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Is there a difference between 100% hydrogenated soybean oils?

1)Do all 100% hydrogenated soybean oils have the same SAP value on lye calculators but give different properties to the soap? Example: hardness or curetime for hardness, bar color.

2)If using 100%HSBO from different sources, would the final results be the same but take a longer cure time for a hard bar.

3)Finally, If hydrogenation effects hardness, why do ingredient lists for solid shortening include partially-hydrogenated oils?

Some background.....

I would like to try Carrie’s soap recipe that has 37.5% of 100% hydrogenated soybean oil.

http://www.candletech.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=bandbgallery;action=display;num=1114437312

My Sam’s Club carries large containers of 100% hydrogenated soybean oil (from ingredient list). The HSBO Carrie described is semi-solid (scoopable) and very white. Sam’s is pourable and yellow (like most oils you see on a grocers shelf).

To confuse me even more:

I found this…. (http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1216)

which includes…

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RobinInOR 07-29-2005 10:20 AM

Mostly it's the degree of hydrogenation - how many double bonds are in the fatty acids. The fewer double bonds, the more hydrogenated, the harder the oil.....Hydrogenation doesn't affect the SAP value, supposedly, but might make a difference in the feel of the bar. Hydrogenation also extends the shelf life.

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And this…(http://www.candletech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10975) which includes…

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Bunny 12-16-2005 12:48 AM

Ok.. Saponified means it has been reacted with lye. Hydrogenated means it started out as a liquid oil and changed to be a solid. Like hydrogenated soybean oil (crisco) is treated soybean oil. Hopefully someone else has a better explanation.. Man I need to go to bed! lol!

RobinInOR 12-16-2005 10:11 AM

Hydrogenated oil is still the oil - it's been reacted to lose it's double bonds between carbon atoms (some liquid oils have 1, 2 or more double bonds). Makes it more stable, and more solid.

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I could really use some expert advise.

TIA,

donna

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1)Do all 100% hydrogenated soybean oils have the same SAP value on lye calculators but give different properties to the soap? Example: hardness or curetime for hardness, bar color.

Yes :) Use the same SAP value for any of the soybean oils. Whether it's the liquid oil, or a harder hydrogenated one, it's going to have the same SAP.

2)If using 100%HSBO from different sources, would the final results be the same but take a longer cure time for a hard bar.

I'm betting the differences are really going to be minor.

3)Finally, If hydrogenation effects hardness, why do ingredient lists for solid shortening include partially-hydrogenated oils?

These oils are developed for cooking, so I'm sure these oils are a blend of oil structures to best work for frying or sauteing or whatever. Melting points and such... Labeling requirements for food is different than for bath & body, so who knows exactly what's in them. You have to give them a try and see the diff.

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Are you sure the liquid, yellow oil from Sam's says hydrogenated? Hydrogenated soybean oil is the white, scoopable kind. The liquid, yellow is just plain soybean oil. I would not substitute it for hydrogenated.

I love the liquid kind and use it, but it's not the same as the hydrogenated. But the sap value is the same from what I understand.

Marilyna

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Are you sure the liquid, yellow oil from Sam's says hydrogenated? Marilyna

Thanks Marilyna, I am very sure. However, The print quality of the label was very poor so I will check again before I buy.

Thanks Robin, I'll double check to make sure it is 100% hydrogenated soybean oil & if it is I'll give it a shot.

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Are you sure the liquid, yellow oil from Sam's says hydrogenated? Marilyna

Marilyna, I was wrongwrongwrong. What I saw was 'fully refined soy oil'. I left it on the shelf.

Sam's did have a 'creamy soy oil'. It contains partially and hydrogenized soybean oils with citric acid added to extend shelf life. Peanut oil had anti-foaming agents added. The 100% soy oil was the only bulk oil that didn't have any listed additives.

Back to the shopping cart.

Bummer.

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