theisenk Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 hello. i'm a newbie and i promise i've tried searching the forums, but can't seem to find the composition of universal additive. i know what it does (kind of) but what IS it? is it a combo of vybar and something else? or is it it's own special concoction. thank you for any light you can shed. kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alohagirl Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Bumping this to the first page. (I want to know, too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theisenk Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 Thanks. I've been wondering if no one knows or no one cares! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I cared enough to try to find out....but couldn't find anything! Sorry! Now where's Robin or Alan when we need them?? LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 The actual composition of it could be proprietary, but in many cases I've at least been able to find out who manufactures an additive. It can be a good way to get more details about its properties. In this case I came up empty, but it must be relatively common knowledge since so many suppliers carry it. Alan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theisenk Posted August 8, 2005 Author Share Posted August 8, 2005 thanks for the attempts. i've been googling and can't seem to find it either. maybe alan has the skinny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobSue Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 What kind of additive is it? What does it look like? Are there anywords on it to give any directions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatinDucky Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I don't think many use the UA, but I've been told it does about the same thing as vybar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 It's similar to Vybar but not the same. Several manufacturers seem to have general "wax improvement" additives along these line, even wax manufacturers like IGI and Astorlite, but I haven't seen anything that quite matches the properties of UA as it's described. I sent a note to one of my favorite and most technically inclined suppliers to ask about the manufacturer and will let you know if I find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 I suspected this but got confused because suppliers have been listing the congealing point as the melting point, so the properties didn't seem to match up, but turns out I was on the right track after all. In at least some if not all cases, this is Universal Additive.More properties here.(Acrobat Reader required) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alohagirl Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Thanks for that link. I think you're right and UA is the same thing as Parafflex. They don't tell you what's in it, but it doesn't appear to be stearic or vybar.It also turns out that the popular pre-blend IGI 4625 isn't just paraffin with stearic and vybar already in it. IGI calls it a "parafflex" wax so now we know what additive is in it. (That question comes up on this board once in a while.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Interesting! I tried UA once in Cleanwax - where vybar did affect that "natural" wax and evened out the color, making it even more opaque, UA didn't do anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 PARAFFLEX seems to be the brand name that IGI uses for all their blends that are preformulated with additives rather than just paraffins. It's a pretty good bet that the 4734 is an ingredient in at least some of those, along with combinations of various paraffins, plus petrolatum in the case of the creamy container gunks.I confirmed that 4734 is the UA sold by one of my suppliers, which is headed up by a guy who worked for IGI for many years and came up with some of their blends. Alan lists similar properties for Peaks' UA and he is an IGI dealer so I think we can rest assured that his UA is 4734 also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topofmurrayhill Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Interesting! I tried UA once in Cleanwax - where vybar did affect that "natural" wax and evened out the color, making it even more opaque, UA didn't do anything at all.UA is said to not affect the opacity quite as much as Vybar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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