gar1 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 (edited) So after a year I decided I wanted to try out a new wax!Previously, I was using KY 133 & got 8 hours total of scent throw (2-3 strong, 2-3 medium, 2-3 light) 1 week cure.So far tested:4625 straight 6% FO = 8 total hours scent throw (5 strong, 3-4 light) 24 hour cure4625/4627 (50/50) 10% FO = NADA (i didnt smell anything) 24 hour cureUp next to test is 4794 straight, 4794/4627, 4794/4625I'll update this post after testing..I really want to use paraffin only so if anyone has any other paraffin or para blend waxes to try let me know! Edited September 8, 2013 by gar1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Can you share your method or system? How hot do you get your wax? When do you add FO, what FO did you use for test, etc. Your results are not at all what you should have gotten with the waxes you tested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Sure, I heat my wax to 180-85 add FO stir for at least 2 mins and then add dye and stir..I pour at about 175 sometimes 180. I use FO from NG, RE, CCS & Peak.Specifically I used Bird of Paradise in 4625 straight and Creamy Pumpkin in the blend! If I forgot anything please let me know lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanie353 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Can you share your method or system? How hot do you get your wax? When do you add FO, what FO did you use for test, etc. Your results are not at all what you should have gotten with the waxes you tested.4625 is a great wax on its own, and is what I use for pillars. Love that stuff. When doing melts, and adding 4627 to the blend, the 4627 (in my experience) has enhanced the CT/HT. Wonder if it is the FO? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Did you not use the same FO's in each wax blend for testing? Did you use your strongest or best selling FO's?I test like a crazy person. I test each wax blend in the same 2-3 scents. I make 4 melts. 2 for me to test and 2 for other testers to test for me. I test a vanilla, a fruit and a bakery. Really allows for complete testing and rules out variables like a particular FO not working as well with any given wax blend.4625 has worked well for me. Alone and with anything with which I have blended it. 4627 has prevailed in my testing when blended with 4625 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 It could be the FO but sometimes I wonder if it's not a combination of the AC & the draftiness of the house..I used two different FO's One a stronger scent & One a lighter scent and those were the results that I got.Today I poured 4794 straight and 4794/4627 (50/50) & used two FO's again one strong & one light..I used balsam fir and angel type..but I fear that the blend will be too soft & may not release from the cups.I'm going to test these 2 tmr..I test in a small bedroom & ttest one ounce at 24 hour mark and then test the other ounce at the one week period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Well, we test differently, so I am not certain. I make every wax blend I want to test in exactly the same FO's and same percentage of FO. I like to compare as exactly as I can. I do not want one FO (like Key Lime) to win out over a softer FO as example and me believe that it was the wax that was the winner (or the reverse). So, I test Key Lime in one blend against Key Lime in another and so on.Most recently, I made batches of Key Lime, Toffee Cinnamon Apples, Pumpkin Apple Butter and Toasted Marshmallow in perhaps 6 wax blends. I typically use one of 2 blends but I wanted to play with percentages of each of the waxes.You should be perfectly fine with 4794/4627 releasing from the cups. 4794 and 4625 are equal in consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Within my two lb samples I will test each "tester" scent with each wax combo before i'm finished..i just rotate the scents out through the week during testing so my nose doesn't get too used to the scents and take notes on the scent/wax combo I have done. I'm just afraid when testing more than one wax and combo that if I use just one or two scents and test all week that one of the last things I try i may cancel out due to a possible candle nose..lol. I'm glad you mentioned that 4794 and 4625 are equal in consistency because i noticed that through my testing so far that my straight 4625 tarts seem more dry than the 4794 tarts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QTsmum Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I do 50/50 4625&4627 and get amazing results. I made birds of paradise too and got great throw, hot and cold. I do find that I am needing to leave them for a little while before burning. I try to wait a few days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 Today at the 24 hour mark i'm testing:4794 straight FO Balsam Fir4794/4627 (50/50) Angel TypeI'll be pouring:4625 Creamy Pumpkin4625/4627 (50/50) Bird of Paradise...by Friday I should have poured & tested (at 24 hour mark) all 4 scents in all 4 wax methods. Friday I will post my final results! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Alright, i know im late with my final testing results but I have went through all four scents tested with each of the wax/blends I have listed above and the best for me was the 4625 straight..I still however did not get 10 full hours of a strong throw even with the super strong balsam (eww). I got about 7 hours strong with that. But I guess it is just me lol. I have another wax I want to try out though! Thanks everyone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QTsmum Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Are you heating it hot enough? I was making awesome melts then bought a presto pot. My melts wouldn't last long at all. By advice of ladies on here, I started heating to 200 to transfer to my mixing/pour pot. (I guess I was losing too much heat during my ladling!) Ever since then, it's been so much better!!! Also, what is your warmer? I had a candle warmers.com square one. A melt I only got 4 hours in that one, I got well over 12 in another warmer with the same bulb!! I guess it was just getting too hot or the shape...I dunno! Don't give up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Are you heating it hot enough? I was making awesome melts then bought a presto pot. My melts wouldn't last long at all. By advice of ladies on here, I started heating to 200 to transfer to my mixing/pour pot. (I guess I was losing too much heat during my ladling!) Ever since then, it's been so much better!!! Also, what is your warmer? I had a candle warmers.com square one. A melt I only got 4 hours in that one, I got well over 12 in another warmer with the same bulb!! I guess it was just getting too hot or the shape...I dunno! Don't give up!Agreed. You should be getter longer HT from that wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I have 4625,how hot do you heat it to and what temp do you pour the melts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QTsmum Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) I have 4625,how hot do you heat it to and what temp do you pour the melts?ETA: Anna, I wasn't sure if you were asking OP or in general! Edited September 18, 2013 by QTsmum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megandgarr Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I agree with possibly increasing your temp. I have found in my own experience that if I add FO at a temp below 185 it greatly diminishes the throw. I use a presto, heat the wax to about 195, ladle into a pour pot, stir slightly, check the temp with an infrared thermometer and when it reaches 185 I add the FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted September 19, 2013 Share Posted September 19, 2013 I'm sorry QTsmum,I meant I have this wax,but haven't tested it.I was asking you the question.Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 I heat to 180-185 keep the wax on that heat while i add FO & dye and stir for two mins and then take off heat and let cool to usually about 175 to pour. I have a 25w hot plate that I use for testing..although I think my bowl may have cracks because it does seem to leak quite a bit..it came from vista wholesale..my house is also pretty drafty until mid fall when I turn the air off. Oh I also use a presto pot lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 I guess I should also add I ladle into pour pot but then I put the pour pot on a hot plate warmer to bring the temp back up to 180-85 and once it reaches that point is when i stir in the FO & dye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QTsmum Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 I guess I should also add I ladle into pour pot but then I put the pour pot on a hot plate warmer to bring the temp back up to 180-85 and once it reaches that point is when i stir in the FO & dyeSounds good to me! I wait until its about 150 before pouring into my clams/portion cups and have to heat higher since I do t have it on a heat source after ladling but other than those differences it sounds good to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 my HT experience could be a combination of my whacky hot plate melter and my drafty house lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QTsmum Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Have you gotten other people to try yours yet? The air in the house can make such a big difference! It's wild! We have a bungalow and its amazing what the air conditioner/an open window can do!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gar1 Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 Well for the last year I was using KY 133 & customers said that HT would diminish easily. I haven't yet had anyone else test the any of these other waxes..soon i think I'll have someone test the 4625 and the 4625/4627 blend and see how they think it compares to the KY 133! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisasst Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 So after a year I decided I wanted to try out a new wax!Previously, I was using KY 133 & got 8 hours total of scent throw (2-3 strong, 2-3 medium, 2-3 light) 1 week cure.So far tested:4625 straight 6% FO = 8 total hours scent throw (5 strong, 3-4 light) 24 hour cure4625/4627 (50/50) 10% FO = NADA (i didnt smell anything) 24 hour cureUp next to test is 4794 straight, 4794/4627, 4794/4625I'll update this post after testing..I really want to use paraffin only so if anyone has any other paraffin or para blend waxes to try let me know! Did you try the 4794/4625 mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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