Michdj Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 So I am exhausted from pouring candles 12 hours a day for three straight weeks getting ready for my first show. I've encountered little issues I've worked around - things I've not seen before or had forgotten I had. But I'm frustrated now.So, I have certain FOs that will just NOT blend into the wax. (4627). BCN's Pecan Praline, CS's Hansel and Gretel's House, CS's Cinnamon Bun. I can stir at 190F, 185F, 180F, for a few minutes or MUCH longer and there's still little beads of FO in there. So of course, what's my last pour of each day? Clamshells. So, what am I pouring into the clamshells? The bottom of the pot. What's there? All the stupid FO that I couldn't get stirred into the wax.Yes, I know, I shouldn't have poured it, or I should have found a different wax, or SOMETHING. (Hush) But I did. And just now, I had the wax/FO mixture eat my clamshells. Shame on me, I should have known it would do that. But I'm too frustrated to care. And I just realized as I type this that, as I cleaned up I must have rubbed my nose, because I have a burning spot on it that smells strongly of cinnamon.Ugh. Thanks for letting me vent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisR Posted April 28, 2013 Share Posted April 28, 2013 I've occasionally had FO's not mix with my wax over the years I've been making candles and I don't sweat it anymore. If they don't mix they go in the trash and I find another supplier. It's the pits when you get to the bottom of the pot and find all the FO, so I understand your frustration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am sorry. Not only is it frustrating but up against a deadline can make you panicked as well.I am heavy handed with the FO and on occasion have this problem. For me it is heavy oils in the vanilla family.Sure hope you get resolution soon. Share your secret when you do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crab Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I am very surprised you had issues with the FOs from Candle Science, with that wax. I use 4627 and have had the issues you've described in the past with another supplier. I do use 4627 with CS's you've mentioned without issue. I always heat my 4627 to 200, and let it cool. It seems to lend better when I take it up and then drop the temp. Once it hits 190 I add my color, at 185 my FO, at around 170-175 I pour. I keep it to 9% FO or less, the CS FO I keep at 6%. I'm surprised you would use 4627 for clamshells though, would be a bit messy wouldn't it?HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 I was always told to toss in a few granules of vybar. If that didn't help the FO incorporate, it found a new home in the trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Fields Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 my two cents... The oils you mentioned have vanalan (sp?) in them;it is an integral part of all vanilla type scents. Vanalan will separate is the FO gets cold (doesn't have to get really cold). To fix the problem gently heat the oil before using until the vanalan disappears back into the FO and then pour hotter than normal to keep it bound. You can also just not worry too much about it and toss the ooze in the bottom of your pouring pot. It is not useable for anything and will eat you clamshells and will not bind with wax in your pillars or containers. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbla Posted April 29, 2013 Share Posted April 29, 2013 The only times I've had FO not fully stir into the wax, or seep out after the fact, I was using too much FO because of a miscalculation. Which was probably because I was exhausted just like you are. How much FO are you using per pound of wax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilyspoppy Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 So I am exhausted from pouring candles 12 hours a day for three straight weeks getting ready for my first show. I've encountered little issues I've worked around - things I've not seen before or had forgotten I had. But I'm frustrated now.So, I have certain FOs that will just NOT blend into the wax. (4627). BCN's Pecan Praline, CS's Hansel and Gretel's House, CS's Cinnamon Bun. I can stir at 190F, 185F, 180F, for a few minutes or MUCH longer and there's still little beads of FO in there. So of course, what's my last pour of each day? Clamshells. So, what am I pouring into the clamshells? The bottom of the pot. What's there? All the stupid FO that I couldn't get stirred into the wax.Yes, I know, I shouldn't have poured it, or I should have found a different wax, or SOMETHING. (Hush) But I did. And just now, I had the wax/FO mixture eat my clamshells. Shame on me, I should have known it would do that. But I'm too frustrated to care. And I just realized as I type this that, as I cleaned up I must have rubbed my nose, because I have a burning spot on it that smells strongly of cinnamon.Ugh. Thanks for letting me vent.I sent you a PM earlier today. I just checked and it shows its still in your inbox and remains unread. The message will be self explanatory.HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redraider Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Use a few beads of vbar, add the FO at 185 and stir like crazy with a wire whisk. Let the bubbles dissapate after whisking and then pour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted April 30, 2013 Share Posted April 30, 2013 Use a few beads of vbar, add the FO at 185 and stir like crazy with a wire whisk. Let the bubbles dissipate after whisking and then pour.I have read and read about vybar but have not used/tried. Thank you for sharing! I appreciate it as I know others will as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michdj Posted May 1, 2013 Author Share Posted May 1, 2013 Thanks everyone for your help! Show is tomorrow so I'm not on the boards as often. I will try your suggestions with my next pours! (After much sleep!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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