TallTayl

This is the most polarizing question of the board.  Nobody can agree, so we usually start here and buy samples from different suppliers to evaluate for ourselves. 

yes fragrance oil’s can be used in perfumery, just make sure to follow the IFRA limits since many components of fragrance and essential oil’s are know sensitizers.

You can also use those boil bags made for food.  Seal it up well,  drop it in a big pot of water and let it cook. You can rebatch soap the same way. 

I pick up terrible chemical undertones in that one from CS.

I would either cut the recipe in half or use a bigger crock pot.  The hot soap expands quite a bit, even without getting to the volcano state.  You will want room to stir it down without splashing is over. 
 

you could also make it In a  microwave. It’s a little quicker an you can use other pitchers if things get expanded too much for your comfort. 

Fresh Cut Stems from set 2 is a lovely blend of green out of the bottle.  It smells like you’ve taken a set of garden pruners and cut the flowers before arranging in a vase.
 

Soap Notes: 

easy as can be to make.  Took my time and poured leisurely. 
standard 40% lye solution, room temp, 100 ish degree oils.

oils: palm, coconut, olive, Shea, cocoa butter, castor oil.

% used: 5.  May be able to use less for a fully scented cold process soap.  
Morphing: none

fade: slightly less potent than I would prefer, but coming back during cure. Will monitor for it over the coming weeks.

Acceleration: None

Discoloration: ivory

Candle Test #1:

common 9 oz straight sided amber glass  jar, inside diameter approx 2.5” give or take. 
Wax blend: coco83:sp487 70:30.

FO%: 8%. The sales rep recommends using 6% to start testing.  I jumped to 8 out of habit. 

wick: CDN6  The flame is steady and pretty,

Cold Throw: 10 out of 10. Just like out of bottle

Hot Throw: 8 out of 10 with this wick.  I get a clear scent of roses on top of the green. It is strong, though. Filled my living room easily.
 

Product Thoughts:

I can imagine this in a florist line. Will need to test in combination with other florals to see if the rose tones down, leaving the green notes as a base for the floral scent. It’s beautiful, like a bouquet. 

IFRA Info:

cat 1: not permitted

cat 2:1.62%

Cat 3: 2.07

cat 4: 7

Cat 5a: 7

Cat 5b: 4.05

Cat 5c: 5.32

Cat 5d: 1.35

Cat 6: not permitted

Cat 7a: 4.05

Cat 7b: 4.05

Cat 8: 1.35

Cat 9: 16.10

Cat 10a: 16.10

Cat 10b: 7

Cat 11a: 1.35

Cat 11b: 1.35

Cat 12: no restriction

Test ting results for Clementine coriander:

there’s a lot of interest in this one from long time co-op participants.  We will easily hit the 25 lb mark. Once I get through the last bit of coco wax candle testing I’ll put it into soy wax just to close the loop on testing. 
 

i expect to order this one as early as next week.

pinion wood may also go on that order to hit their happy new minimums. 🤞🏻

IFRA Category
 Product Type
 IFRA Category 1
  Products applied to the lips: Lip products e.g. lipstick, lip balm; Children's toys
 IFRA Category 2
 Products applied to the axillae: Deodorant and antiperspirant products of all types; Body sprays/mists
 IFRA Category 3
Products applied to the face/body using fingertips: Eye products e.g. eye make-up, eye moisturizer; Facial make-up; Make-up remover; Nose pore strips; Wipes for face, neck, hands, body; Facial masks; Body and face paint
 IFRA Category 4
 Products related to fine fragrance: Hydroalcoholic and non-hydroalcoholic fine fragrance of all types e.g. Eau de Toilette, Parfum, Cologne, solid perfume, fragrancing cream, aftershaves of all types; Ingredients of perfume and fragrance mixtures for cosmetic kits; Scent pads; Scent strips
 IFRA Category 5A
 Body lotion products applied to the body using the hands (palms), primarily leave on: Foot care products e.g. creams, powders; Insect repellent for application to the skin; All powders and talc (excluding baby powders and talc)
 IFRA Category 5B
  Face moisturizer products applied to the face using the hands (palms), primarily leave on: Facial toner; Facial moisturizers and creams
 IFRA Category 5C
Hand cream products applied to the hands using the hands (palms), primarily leave on: Hand cream; Nail care products including cuticle creams; Hand sanitizers
 IFRA Category 5D
  Baby creams, baby oils and baby talc: Baby cream/lotion, baby oil, baby powders and talc
 IFRA Category 6
 Products with oral and lip exposure: Toothpaste; Mouthwash, including breath sprays; Toothpowder, strips, mouthwash tablets
 IFRA Category 7A
 Rinse-off products applied to the hair with some hand contact: Hair permanent or other hair chemical treatments (rinse-off) e.g. relaxers, including rinse-off hair dyes
 IFRA Category 7B
Leave-on products applied to the hair with some hand contact: Hair sprays of all types e.g. pumps, aerosol sprays; Hair styling aids non sprays e.g. mousse, leave- on conditioners; Hair permanent or other hair chemical treatments (leave-on) e.g. relaxers, including leave-on hair dyes; Shampoo - Dry (waterless shampoo); Hair deodorizer
 IFRA Category 8
  Products with significant anogenital exposure: Intimate wipes; Tampons; Baby wipes; Toilet paper (wet)
 IFRA Category 9
 Products with body and hand exposure, primarily rinse off: Bar soap; Liquid soap; Shampoo of all type; Conditioner (rinse-off); Body washes and shower gels of all types; Baby wash, bath, shampoo; Bath gels, foams, mousses, salts, oils and other products added to bathwater; Cleanser for face (rinse-off); Shaving creams of all types e.g. stick, gels, foams; All depilatories (including facial) and waxes for mechanical hair removal; Foot care products (feet are placed in a bath for soaking); Shampoos for pets
 IFRA Category 10A
 Household care excluding aerosol / spray products: Hand wash laundry detergent; Laundry pre-treatment of all types e.g. paste, sprays, sticks; Machine laundry detergents with skin contact e.g. liquids, powders; Fabric softeners of all types including fabric softener sheets; Ironing water; Hand dishwashing detergent;
Hard surface cleaners of all types e.g. bathroom, kitchen cleansers, furniture polish; Toilet seat wipes; Household cleaning products, other types including fabric cleaners, carpet cleaners, furniture polishes sprays and wipes, stain removers, treatment products for textiles e.g. starch sprays; Floor wax; Dry cleaning kits; Fragranced oil for lamp ring, reed diffusers, pot-pourri,
  
       liquid refills for air fresheners (non cartridge systems), etc.
 IFRA Category 10B
 Household aerosol/spray products: Animal sprays applied to animals; Air freshener sprays, manual, including aerosol and pump; Aerosol/spray insecticides
 IFRA Category 11A
 Products with intended skin contact but minimal transfer of fragrance to skin from inert substrate without UV exposure: Feminine hygiene conventional pads, liners, interlabial pads; Diapers (baby and adult); Adult incontinence pant, pad; Toilet paper (dry)
 IFRA Category 11B
 Products with intended skin contact but minimal transfer of fragrance to skin from inert substrate with potential UV exposure: Tights with moisturizers; Scented socks, gloves; Facial tissues (dry tissues); Napkins; Paper towels; Wheat bags; Facial masks (paper/protective) e.g. surgical masks not used as medical device; Fertilizers, solid (pellet or powder)
 IFRA Category 12
 Products not intended for direct skin contact, minimal or insignificant transfer to skin: Candles of all types ; Laundry detergents for machine wash with minimal skin contact (e.g. Liquid tabs, pods); Automated air fresheners and fragrancing of all types e.g. concentrated aerosol with metered doses, plug-ins, electrical, incense, liquid refills (cartridge); Air delivery systems; Cat litter; Cell phone cases; Deodorizers/maskers not intended for skin contact e.g. fabric drying machine deodorizers, carpet powders; Fuels; Insecticides e.g. mosquito coil, paper, electrical, for clothing, excluding aerosols/sprays; Joss sticks or incense sticks; Dishwash detergent and deodorizers - for machine wash; Olfactive board games; Paints; Plastic articles (excluding toys); Scratch and sniff; Scent pack; Scent delivery system (using dry air technology); Shoe polishes; Rim blocks (Toilet)
 

Clementine Coriander from set 2 is the star of the summer show. The bright citrus is sunshine itself.  It’s a fresh take on sweet-tart citrus juice with the slight green note of coriander.  
 

Soap Notes:

easy as can be to make.  Took my time and poured leisurely. 
standard 40% lye solution, room temp, 100 ish degree oils.

oils: palm, coconut, olive, Shea, cocoa butter, castor oil.

% used: 5.  May be able to use less for a fully scented cold process soap.  
Morphing: none

fade: none yet.  Will monitor for it over the coming weeks.

Acceleration: None

Discoloration: ivory

Candle Test #1:

common 9 oz straight sided amber glass  jar, inside diameter approx 2.5” give or take. 
Wax blend: coco83:sp487 70:30.

FO%: 8%. The sales rep recommends using 6% to start testing.  I jumped to 8 out of habit. 

wick: CD 5. Will wick up.  The flame is steady and pretty, but rather small for this candle. A bit more hang that is needed for safety.  Will try CDN 6 on next burn.

Cold Throw: 10 out of 10. Just like out of bottle

Hot Throw: 8 out of 10 with this wick. With just a little more wick energy this will be a 10 out of 10. 
 

Product Thoughts:

I can imagine this in everything from bath and body (bar and liquid soap, shampoo/conditioner, lotion, body spray, dusting powder) to home (kitchen soap, air freshener, dish soap, laundry soap, etc). Will smell cheery in car freshies too. 

IFRA Info:

cat 1: not permitted

cat 2:1.37%

Cat 3: 1.32

cat 4: 15.55

Cat 5a: 6.42

Cat 5b: 0.68

Cat 5c: 2.69

Cat 5d: 0.22

Cat 6: not permitted

Cat 7a: 1.32

Cat 7b: .32

Cat 8: 0.22

Cat 9: 6.15

Cat 10a: 6.15

Cat 10b: 30.30

Cat 11a: 0.22

Cat 11b: 0.22

Cat 12: no restriction

3 minutes ago, Back said:

Hi All

 

Tall sorry I havent replied. Just got out of the hospital a few days ago. Covid for the third time an it was real bad.

 

I will try to gt back in the game soon but my brain is fried

 

Bless

Shawn

Oh no.  Feel better. 🙂

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13 hours ago, bfroberts said:

I guess I'm a fan now too. Super easy to wick and they look great with black lids.

that's a great bonus right there! I'm all about easy as we age.  

12 hours ago, PhoenixFyre said:

Sorry for the later response....got my blotters well over a week ago but I have been sick that entire time. My nose FINALLY decided to let me breathe through it again today, so I got right on  to the sniffing. Priorities and all. 

 

These are my initial smelled-out-of-the-bag thoughts, and I've only made it through about half of them so far. I'm giving my nose a break and then will do the initial sniffs with the rest of the samples later. Then I'm gonna go through and sniff them again out of the package and in the air to see if/how any of them hit differently. 

 

Set 1:

Pinion Wood: 1st sniff hit me like a cologne. Went back in for a second sniff...and I think my nose was broken the first time, lol. I got a sweetness I can't place, sort of a bitter herbs/earthy hit, and then at the end came cinnamon -- not that overpowering cinnamon-scented-pinecone scent that you get hit with in every store during the winter season. This was a nice friendly cinnamon and it just sort of peeked through to say "hi" at the end and it worked with the entire fragrance overall. I dig this one.

 

Black Raspberry Vanilla: All black raspberry, no vanilla - which to me is not a bad thing. Definitely more of a tart berry with little to no hint of sweetness. Would be a blender for me. I dig this one (at least....I did until I got to set 2...).

 

Strawberry Jam 1: 1st sniff - didn't smell anything. 2nd - got the image of a warm strawberry compote, not heavily sweet. Then I read TT's description of it and thought "yep, boiling strawberries and sugar, that about sums it up." Definitely one of the more pleasant strawberry fragrances I've smelled, so I'd put it on the "I dig it" list. 

 

Cedarwood Amber: 1st sniff - perfume/cologne, then 2nd sniff - sweet cologne. This one hit me in the gag reflex. I see the descriptions comparing it to Dial soap...been a minute since I've smelled Dial, so I'll trust you all on that. But for me - this one is a no. Just too "commercial" smelling for me, if that makes sense. 

 

Frankincense & Myrrh: I'm not going to be much help with this one, as I've experienced too few F&K scents over the years. I can remember years ago finding an F&K scent I loved - it was very warm and deep and subtly sweet, "thick" smelling without being overpowering, like being wrapped in a warm exotic blanket. This one is not like that. I got a sweet vibe, but other than that can't describe it. It's not bad...just didn't jive with what I have in my brain as F&K so I think it was more confusing to me than anything. 

 

Sandalwood Mahogany Teakwood: Yuck. Yuck. Yuck. Cologne. Yuck.

 

Strawberry Jam 2: Faintly sweet, but reminds me of lip balm. Definitely would take Strawberry Jam 1 over this one. 

 

Nag Champa: 1st sniff was sweet, almost incense-y. Made me go back for a second sniff and that's when I got doused with the powder. Not a fan. 

 

Set 2:

Down to Earth: Definitely earthy - smelled dirt, earth, wet leaves...all of which are VERY lovely to me. I dig this one.

 

Fresh Cut Stems: 1st sniff from the bag was roses which quickly went a little broader floral. 2nd sniff was green and then stems. Went back for 3rd and 4th sniffs...really liked this one and think it would add that extra something for those of us who don't like straight florals and want something to cut into it to break it up. I dig this one.

 

Tangerine & Ginger: Got all ginger on this one - to me it was more the pleasant ginger of Ginger Ale than the stronger palate-cleanser-with-my-sushi ginger. I read TT's description afterward and saw "effervescent"...yes, exactly that, very bubbly and fresh. Not at the top of my list, but I wouldn't turn it down either. 

 

Strawberry Vine: 1st sniff was tartness of strawberries, 2nd sniff was more of a bitter note that was green and leafy to me, and then 3rd sniff I got an earthy note that actually brought to mind the strawberry seeds themselves. I feel like this one took me on the entire strawberry experience that I've wanted to find and never have - and it made me smile! I dig this one. 

 

Clementine Coriander: 1st sniff and I got all citrus goodness, and then my second sniff hit me with a peppery/herbal note, and then it went all back to citrus. I liked it, but not sure if I liked it enough to put us through the trouble of ordering it. 

 

Sun Ripened Blackberry: To me, this one was similar to the BRV from set 1 but it smelled "juicier," more sweet berry notes but hanging on to enough of that pleasant tartness...if I had my druthers between this one and the BRV from set 1, my vote is for this one. It had me going back for several sniffs and it took me back to when I was a kid picking blackberries off the vine and eating them...it smelled like what I remember they tasted like. I dig this one. 

 

 

That's as far as I've got. And again, TallTayl - you are amazing. 

you picked up some notes I didn't. thanks for the detailed descriptions. I can't wait to hear the rest! Your words give me ideas about marketing the finished products in story form. I love experiences translated to fragrance. 

I'm beginning to see a hint of a  trend in what people have preferred so far.

34 minutes ago, The Candle Nook said:

Totally good with your “short” list — and while I love BlkRaspVan and would appreciate a FO I was confident would throw well, I’m also good with waiting. LOVE the idea of fragrance of the month club 😍 and yes….space everything out. 💙

If enough people like the BRV my list can change at a moments notice 😊

3 minutes ago, The Candle Nook said:

Father’s Day became a “sniffle-a-thon” with my fam. Always interesting to get their perspective!  They would all discuss and then I’d read TT comments. We all had a blast!  Here are my top sniffles (The second set seemed to hit the mark with all of them more):

Rainbow Moss (everyone’s top 3)

Purple Carrot and Sage (everyone’s top 3)

Strawberry Vine (everyone’s top 3)

Garden Herbs

Tangerine & Ginger

Clementine Coriander

Black Raspberry Vanilla

Pinion Wood

 

it was so interesting to hear reactions that were EXACTLY as TT described…Sandalwood Mahogany Teakwood - everyone instantly said “Polo Red Cologne”…Cedarwood Amber — everyone said “Dial Soap” BUT they also really like it. (Honestly, probably because their grandmother used Dial Soap and the love comes thru the scent)

 

Thanks again for everything @TallTayl and adding to the fun evening with my grown  kids ❤️

 

That’s a great list! just wait til the summer romance collection arrives to your Mailbox.  Talk about DIFFERENT!

Thanks for rounding up a focus group for us! The selections everyone writes about are very helpful when narrowing down what to bring in first. Drop a blotter on your warmer to coax out some of the deeper notes and nuances.  The foil packets can be taped closed, or enclosed in aluminum foil to preserve a while longer. and also treat them as perfume strips, allowing to air out and sniff again.  They all smell slightly different when not direct out of the bottle. 

 I’m going through IFRA and testing the best contenders to just plain have a small enough set to complete.  In all I’ve received more than 50 samples. Working through all of them would be impossible to get any in before the holidays. 
 

Strawberry Vine is on my short list. It is familiar, yet just different enough to be intriguing for online customers without being too scary “out there”.  Fingers and toes crossed it performs well in both candles and soap.  It is B&B safe in many of the most common categories.  
 

Tangerine Ginger is on the short list also.  Though I think it will be really amazing with an effervescent blender, which is on the way. I like when the bubbles hit the nose. It’s that “oooooh that’s fun” but that takes people by surprise in a good way. 
 

rainbow moss is B&B safe too,  I’m not sure exactly how I feel about it, but…. It’s worth a try for novelty.

Black raspberry Vanilla: while I love it, I wonder if we should go for less commonly available, equally excellent fragrances for the first go-round.  What does everyone think? 
 

If we aim for 3-4 the first month, that opens 3-4 the second month, and so on.  If planned well, all of the labs who kindly sent candidates will get a bit of an order reward so we can keep this fragrance search going.

It would be wonderful, to me, to have a fragrance collection of the month club.
 

I’m grateful to have a group of people willing to take a chance on this dream.  Members who have participated in this first trial with me will be given “Gold” member status for helping get this endeavor off the ground. Gold status will include premium pricing discounts on our fragrances and all of the Gold sponsorship perks of this forum (longer editing time, bigger mailbox and No Ads!)

6 hours ago, BenderSF said:

Sorry, I should have mentioned in my original post: I have not used these (or anything similar).  I had just seen them online so thought I'd pass on the info.

Thanks for sharing the links. Kinda thinking out loud about the different options. Hopefully brambleberry replies with the material so we can at least know where to start testing. 

For this I think we will need to do a lot of testing.

impak replied with these two:

Below are the options for our PAKVF6NISL material: 
16oz : https://www.impakcorporation.com/FTSSP500CSISL
32oz: https://www.impakcorporation.com/FTSSP1000CSISL

Below are the options for our PAKPNBW material:
32oz: https://www.impakcorporation.com/SP1LBW
77oz: https://www.impakcorporation.com/SP2KGBW


 

@BenderSF I wish those descriptions were more detailed. Some are thin walled, and not all of the bag materials I just learned are suitable for fragrance.
 

if given the choice, I think I want the kind to fill through the spout and not worry about heat sealing. What do you think?

If you order 5 lbs of fragrance the oil comes in these bags instead of bottles. Was a bit unnerving to see what appeared to be a urine bag in a shipping carton, but they worked well and saved a lot of $$ on shipping. Their soap oils sometimes come in them too, like when they offered preblends. You can boil or microwave the bags,  pretty brilliant. They used to sell them in 2 sizes but discontinued a while ago.  

Anyone know the material type of the spout bag Brambleberry uses for 5 lb fragrance purchases? I’ve asked customer service but have not heard back. Those bags are so handy for shipping and storage.  

Just now, jmspgh said:

OH. MY. GOODNESS.  Just opened my sniffies and these are all absolutely amazing.  They smell so luxurious.  I have a different favorite every time I go back to them...even the ones I didn't think I would like based on the descriptions (perfect pair and dusted sheets) have me coming back for more!

I can see us getting the whole set over time. Maybe hit the most seasonal first, along with the farmers market hits? Get to pinion in time for winter holidays?

I hesitate to mention I got ANOTHER 10 or so the other day unannounced… I’m tired thinking of the testing… 😀

AND

the ifras on the summer romance set are in.  Most are body safe to normal usage rates.  Many will only need maybe 2-3% in cp.  I’ll test at the low end first.  The rep recommends testing her fragrances at 2% in soap and 6% in candles. 

Members of the forum can request a set of sniffies through a pm to me with your name and address.

A few sets are available for sale on the main brand’s web store: https://scentersquare.com/summer-romance-sniffie-set/

1 minute ago, Milk Machine said:

WOW!  I just got my sniffies in the mail and wasted no time sniffing them. This set is AMAZING!  Definitely my style. They all smell very high end. The first one I opened without looking was dusted sheets. SO GOOD!  It reminds me of Baccarat Rouge 540 that Scent Memory makes a dupe of, which is not to say it smells like that. It just seems like it's in the same class as that. Basically I really liked them all except for Mesmerize. Maybe my nose is tired but I just don't smell a lot from that one. And personally I'm not a pear fan so I didn't love Perfect Pear BUT I do think it has some depth to it which makes it a very good pear. I would consider carrying it for customers that do like pear. I'd also be curious to know how it does in wax.   Neon Flowers also isn't quite my style but when I would smell it without looking it would grow on me and I think blending it with something like Porter Candles Smoked Brandy Leather would be amazing.  I was really impressed with these. I know that the original intent was for candle specific FOs but I do like mine to be good for soaps as well. If & when there is IFRA data available for these and if possible CA Prop 65 info I would be grateful for that.   As I'm typing I keep smelling "Exhilaration" that touched my nose. It's so nice!  Thank you @TallTayl. These were great!!

I called the rep this morning as a follow up about the set with a whole list of questions.  The fragrances are made in two versions, one specifically for candles (which she sent) and one for b&b specifically.  Before putting them into wax I wanted to be sure these were the candle version. I can count how many times I’ve put a fragrance from a perfumer into wax to discover it would not burn because it used DPG or similar as the diluent. 😣 since these are the candle set, I’m going to put them all into some coco83:sp487.  She suggests 6-8% as their typical range.  I typically use 8% but wonder if the strength of these will be so strong we will taste it in the air.  It’s a gross sensation when that happens.
 

I requested IFRA and pricing  for all last week and they are on the way.  While speaking with her, the perfumer indicated the set we have could be used in soap, but I’ll wait for the IFRA before testing further since the limits may be too low to consider. They’re usually pretty quick with technical documents.
 

do smell mesmerize later when your nose recovers.  It is a unique take on vanilla, which if you smelled it last, might seem to subtle after the other powerhouses. 
 

funny you mentioned the dusted sheets,  I am die hard No powder.  This isn’t that baby powder, though, so I really ended up liking it. This old dog can learn to like new things. 

11 minutes ago, moonshine said:

Okay - this Rocky Mountain thing has me super upset 

This is one of the scents I simply adore and never want to be without - most others I could take or leave 

 

pinion wood isn’t quite the same - you need to find me a Smokey pine 😂😂

 

Sherlock Holmes is on the case. In the meantime, I promised you all the Rocky I have left, so that gives us a little time to find our own Rocky. 

8 minutes ago, moonshine said:

Love that idea 

 

scented Past…..without a past there is no present or future 

That’s deep. 

6 minutes ago, moonshine said:

the forum has, for the most part, become an archive paying homage to ghosts of chandlers past.  We are actually foreword thinking, ambitious people who aim to make the best products we can 

 

…This is speaking to me and hit me in an unexpected way 

if your not loving using your already known brand this could be an Avenue to pursue 

ghosts of chandlers past …. Now that phrase alone isn’t a good forum name but the idea and emotion behind it is strong 

 

 

I can imagine a set of fragrances to honor Vicky, Trappeur, Dave, Old Glory, Eucalypta and others not coming to mind easily right now.