Well, I have been testing these @#&% 8 oz candle tins for ions now, no luck with any wick. I thought that I got it down, now that I am a little over half down, All of the wicks are having a party in the tin jumping all over the pace! I commend anyone who has succesfully wicked an 3 1/4" diameter 8 oz tin. I think that I am going to pull my hair out. I am ready to sell them, and buy a smaller diameter glass container. I have used: cdn 10, cdn 12, cdn 14, cdn 16, cdn 20, eco 14, eco 16. Major hang up with the cdn 10 12 14, eco 14 (and large flame). Many of them do have larger flames. CDN 10 seems to be the only flame that isn't dancing like crazy, but given time, who knows! I have htp 104 and 105, but tested in a different wax, I had major hang up as well. I know I should probably give 'em another try. I am testing 2 different scents as well with same color. 1/2 drop per 8 oz, and 15 grams fragrance. Testing at three hours. My initial test with the ECO 14 was a 4 hour test, and seemed to perform well, but I didn't like burning for 4 hours so I stopped the test. I would assume the flame might still dance since I didn't get the candle to point I am now. Ahhhhhhhh! See my frustration? What the heck do I do now? Anybody have room for a pregnant mental patient:grin2: oh and I use gb444.