Thanks everyone for the replies. I do appreciate them. What are EVO dyes? I don't recognize the abrev. Also, where can I get the specs on the 464, so when I test, I'll have some idea when to add color, fragrance, etc. I will let you know how it works out. I do hope that the 464 works for me mainly because of shipping. It is about $5 to $6 cheaper a case than the Ecosoya. (Suppliers are closer to me.) I am hoping that we get our new shop built soon so that I'll have my new candle room. If you didn't already know, we had a Tornado hit our home & outdoor shops back in April. Major damage. But the house is almost thru being repaired. ($34,000 later). Lost both outdoor shops. Oh well, we lived thru it and all is well! It has been a pain not getting to tinker with my candles, but now that the house is finished being repaired inside; I can play! Thanks again! Beverly S