They aren't incredibly sudsy, more of a creamy lather. Oils will always reduce the amount of suds (think of dish soap in a greasy pan- surfactants are meant to cut the oils), it is just the nature of the beast. It really is near impossible to have the best of both worlds when it comes to suds and moisture, but you can come close! Some surfactants will definitely leave your skin feeling softer than others, and is completely a matter of what your skin "likes". For example, most people find SLSA drying, while it leaves my skin really soft. Go figure.. Before you determine that they are too soft, be sure to pop them in the freezer for a bit because it does take quite some time for the butters to set up. If following this recipe and using melt and pour, I have found that some batches seem to contain quite a bit more water than others. Leaving the cubes out for a few days before wrapping will allow for some of that to evaporate out and the cubes will harden up. I am swamped with shows for the next month, but am dying to get in on this swap! And I haven't forgotten about the class, just waiting for some breathing room in my schedule!