Just a bit of support for you royster. Welcome to the board. I too start at the end where you are. I made all my contact information for my web design business a year before I even started business. I look at things from a design prospective. I already have my label design, logo, etc for my soap company and I'm not anywhere close to selling it yet. It's just to much fun designing. Again, welcome to the board. Take everything you read with a grain of salt. What works for some, might not work for others. And some folks tend to get a bit "sensitive" if they think you are going to fast for their speed. (ducking) Don't worry, they'll get over it.