A good true Lilac that works well in B&B and holds well in CP soap. Also need to throw both hot and cold in 70/30 soy blend. Also looking for a good Blackberry Sage that also does all of the above. I have NG's Lilac but it has absolutely no hot throw for me. I have been using MillCreeks Blackberry Sage......and it is ok but looking for a better one.