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7 minutes ago, ofira said:

thought it would be nice lighting several candles at once . . 

nope?    

that's what matches do for pennies and without adding to the piles of plastic/electronic waste sitting in landfills for centuries.  

43 minutes ago, Laura C said:

 

Hmm... Well, for me, my thought is "why"? Seems really worthless to me.   Do we really need something else automated in our lives? Do we really need another "app" in our lives? I guess the technology aspect is neat but... that's it. When you lose your phone, your phone is dead or you're doing something else with your phone then you can't light your candle? Doesn't interest me in the least. I enjoy actually getting up off my bum, looking through my candles and then lighting one. LOL. 

This has to be some kind of parody video.  It can't be serious, can it?  Tell me it's a joke!

Solving a problem that doesn't exist while creating a new and novel way for someone to set your house on fire from afar. 

20 minutes ago, Laura C said:

 

I don't blame you cause as you mentioned it is a soy pillar candle. I don't see how a pillar made with only soy can last very long without turning to mush and collapsing. Hmmm... Oh, I noticed you were burning it in a deep bowl, LOL. I've never made pillar or votive candles so I don't know. It will be interesting to hear what you say about it in the future.

It's quite hard and wicked so there's abt 3/4" + shell but I'm concerned the cracks may increase and cause seepage out and down the side.  So far it's maintaining its structure but we'll see...

I've never made a pillar but it wouldn't occur to me to even try it with soy.  That said,  I'm about to embark on a beeswax pillar adventure. Wish me luck

1 hour ago, Laura C said:

 

 I know you'll be a good judge of how they perform, hope they don't disappoint.

Enjoying the hot throw and overall look but soy's gonna soy and some cracks are starting to pop up - along the edges and in the center after cooling.  So far not impacting the burn but I'll be keeping a close eye on it  

2 hours ago, hyeteck said:

Alot of good questions. 

 

The burn was my second burn for the candle.  The first burn takes about 2 hours to reach a full melt pool and even then its not really 100%.  There is a tiny ring around the edge that just doesn't have enough heat to melt.  As I burn the candle down to about 70%, i achieve a full melt pool within an hour and seem to have a better hot throw.

 

In terms of wax, i'm using my own coconut/soy blend.

 

The container size is 4" tall and 3" in diameter.

 

During my second burn, the depth of the melt pool varies. I have about 1/4"-1/2" near the wick and then it tapers down towards the edges where its barely 1/16" of an inch. When i get down to about 70% of the candle used, the melt pool is a bit deeper around 1/2"-3/4" at the wick and about 1/4" by the edges.

 

Also, temperature of the melt pool has less variance when the candle is burnt down to the. 70% mark.  It ranges from about 175F(at the wick) to 150F(near the edge).

 

The more I burn the candle, the better my hot throw becomes.  I was under the impression the higher temps of the melt pool are releasing the fragrance easier?  I'm using many of the popular Candle Science fragrances.

the 4" tall jars create a nice little chimney effect down the burn -  that's why I love them.   The increased throw later in the burn  is often just the the wind effect going on in there - -the heat + air flow pushing the scent up and out.

So, the hotter MP isn't necessarily what's giving you better throw, it's the height of your container and the flame heat  pushing the air + fragrance up.. 

As TT said, the hottest  MP does not= the best throw. Too hot can kill the throw.  

I would think all the moisture in fresh fruit, and flowers too, would be problematic. Water and wax are not friends.

@TallTaylwe overlapped but it took you about 2 lines to say what I did in my short essay/thesis.  LOL  well, good thing you're the admin of this site

What happens after 80 minutes?    An 80 minute test burn tells you.. not much at all that's relevant.

There is no formula for this:  No if X + Y + Z does this than use ____. 
 

So many variables: wax, container, FO chemistry, Fo%, wick type.. etc.. including uniquely odd candle making stuff like the fact that no 2 candlemakers ever get the same results no matter how identical their ingredients/conditions, are all factors.  
 

But first- why do you think you need fast "full melt pool"?  Have you seen what a candle you've made that has a FMP in under 1.5 hours looks like in the last 50% of its life?

If you are getting a 100% MP in 80 minutes, you have a really good opportunity here. I wish I'd done this when I started making candles.  Don't change a thing yet. Just test burn that candle- in 4 hr increments-  until the very end of it.  (in a fire-proof, well attended place- like in a pot that's in a bathtub - because it may get rather scary about 70% down the jar) Observe how it behaves in all burns- from the 1st  to the very last bottom- of- the -container burn.   You will save so much time and $ doing this and it will show you so much about candle making.   

FYI: In my experience, in a 3x3" tumbler- my best burning candles don't achieve an edge to edge MP until well over 4 hours and generally not until burn #2.  In a 3x4" tumbler, if I get a FMP (by that I mean edge to edge melted wax) in burn 1, I know I'm really overwicked and the candle will be hot, sooty dangerous mess by the last 1/3 of its burn, if not sooner.  That's with my wax- my own soy/para/coco blend.  YMMV but prob not by that much.  

I had this pillar candle shipped all the way from Latvia!  I grabbed it during a free freight deal around Christmas.  It arrived in about 1 week in perfect condition and was packaged in a nice, well- branded kraft inner box in keeping with their eco natural vibe.  I almost felt guilty getting free freight from Latvia to CA but they shipped it and quickly! 

The scent is Heather.  Retail site link: https://www.themunio.com/products/heather-candle

What moved you to buy this candle?  I've been following them on instagram for a while- stumbled on the line while browsing a store in London. I'm intrigued by the all soy pillar and their subtle use of embedded botanicals.  I've seen similar candles but not in soy-  these just stood out to me as particularly well done.

 I'd like to someday be able to make such a perfect little botanical/ pillar so I justified this purchase as.. "for educational purposes"    

what was the retail price? about 26 USD.  Worth it. This is a little masterpiece IMO.   (also, I have no idea how they make these ) The cold throw alone makes me happy-  so much so that I've been reluctant to light it.

Wax type? Soy, per the maker
what do you love about it?  I think it's beautiful- simple and classic. And it smells divine- a warm, not too sweet floral- it's like no floral I've ever smelled before. It's totally unfamiliar to me and I really like it.

first impressions of burn?  just lit it.  So far so good at 15 minutes in. LOL  Will update later.  I'm super curious to see how it tunnels/ the outer shell translucence , etc...

overall thought?  Obv. I liked it enough visually to buy a pillar candle from overseas.  So kudos to Munio for their visual branding and marketing.
Hopeful the burn won't disappoint b/c I'd kind of like to buy some of her other fragrances. lol  Maybe if I like it enough I can justify a trip to Latvia.."for further research" ?   Will update on the burn as I get through the candle.

"Did anyone find a way to just use the coconut 83 wax the way it is?"
 

Short answer: no
 I'm mad at that wax    I found it basically unwickable to my satisfaction. I'm grateful that their past supply/stock issues got me looking for a better wax.
Good riddance!
 

Cierra has it!  https://www.cierracandles.com/PaloSanto-BBW-Type-Fragrance-Oil.html

I don't buy the "must have a fast, full MP" either.  But  I am curious, with your above example, what happens with burn times of 3 or 4 hrs each instead of letting it burn for 8 hrs?  Will shorter increments result in a wall of cling left at the end?

you're relighting an untrimmed wick, I'm guessing?  If so, yes, it's normal, especially if there's a bit of a leftover mushroom on there.  I'm fine with this on my candles as long as it settles down and trims itself in a few seconds.

Those are stunning!!

No candle, no food and all the glasses are empty!   What kind of dinner party is this?!

13 hours ago, Cindel said:

The MST is just hydrogenated coconut oil? 

I was hoping to place an order for their Love containers. 

The MST is paraffin, per their website.  

I use a laser IR thermometer and check at several points around the glass and top edge. It seems to work just fine.  This is how the testing labs do it.

I think it's more of a bath and body works event but no reason we can't co-opt it!

1 hour ago, Dreamer said:

 

No, I haven't tried them. I have looked over Daystar's oils a few times, seeing many that I'd love to sample, but the site always seems.. forgotten, for lack of better words. Have you successfully placed an order with them recently?

yes, bought a couple of lbs of coconut 2 months ago.  She's still in business and the order arrived within a week.

I'm happy to mail you an oz of the coconut to test if you'd like.

@talltayl   per their website:
 The make up of this additive is derivative of petroleum jelly – a component commonly used in lip balm products and Vaseline.

a derivative of petroleum ...
  How innovative!  If only we had access to something like this in the US 😂

Ha. Been there!

Have you tried Daystar?  It's my favorite coconut for candles, not a very strong thrower in wax though. I use it mostly for blending.   http://www.daystarsupplies.com/fo-regular-5.htm#Coconut

9 hours ago, TallTayl said:

From just a basic, brief research, it looks like hydrogenated coconut oil (the same 92*F we have here) and possibly some Cargill like universal soy additive.
 

The wording is remarkably similar to what the US sellers have been writing. 
 

https://allseasonswaxcompany.com.au/superior-cocosoy-a05

 

It seems they "removed the paraffin" from their cocosoy and are now offering it separately as a new miracle additive called "MST"?

Am I reading this correctly?  

5 hours ago, TallTayl said:

That looks amazingly like coconut oil 92 right down to the blue bag used by soapers choice in desplaines illinois. 🧐

lol  

as far as safety testing goes - for ex: if you were selling to a disney store- the candle vessel can't get hotter than 140 F  if my memory is correct.  However, they also test burn in 4 hr increments so a 12 hr marathon burn is really way above and beyond.  I think the point is, you don't want someone to pick up the candle and then drop it suddenly out of pain because it's too hot to hold.  I guess 140 is about the temp where most people find it unbearable