TwinMom Posted July 1, 2007 Share Posted July 1, 2007 I was told that no matter what you do and what soy wax you use it will always sweet, is that true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxSioux Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I can't imagine why someone would tell you this ... are you sure you're not thinking about frosting? Even that statement isn't true, but I could see someone telling you that. FO will seep from a candle if the max load is exceeded -- it will look like little beads of oil on the candle & will keep seeping out after you wipe the candle clean. Are you using more than 1.5oz per lb of wax?Susan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinMom Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 I was told this from one lady who works at a supply store!! Said soy is really hard to work with and no matter what it always sweats....(oops I just noticed in my regular post it said sweet..lol).... I am starting to get into soy I have been reading a lot and looking at all the threads here. I dont know much about soy so I thought I would ask. Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashmo37 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I have never had asoy candle sweat. Even with temp changes. Maybe she was thinking frost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxSioux Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Sounds like that supplier is either misinformed (hope she doesn't actually sell soy wax!) or she's so into paraffin that she's not willing to give anything else a try. I know many candlemakers that work w/ paraffin, soy & palm. I applaud those people! God knows I've had enough drinks trying to tame one beast. -LOL- I love soy. I've played around w/ paraffin & think it's an easier wax to make perform the way you expect it to, but I find it SO messy to work w/ & a chore to clean up. I'm a lazy candlemaker. You will certainly tug at your hair trying to beat some of the natural qualities of soy (like frosting, wet spots, lumpy tops, battling wicks & getting a throw that makes you happy), but I think every wax has its own list of pros & cons. You'll get plenty of help here, so give it a try ... & find a new supplier to talk to!! <wink>Susan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 No. That is not true any more than making the statement that all paraffin wax candles sweat. :rolleyes2From an article on Syneresis in Candles from the IGI website...ConclusionsSyneresis or bleed in candles results from aseparation of a liquid phase from the solid waxmass. This phenomenon is of critical importancebecause it can detract from a candle’s appealby reducing its visual appeal, handlingcharacteristics, and fragrance throw. The followingfactors were observed and conclusionsdrawn in relation to bleed:• Using a higher melt point base wax (straightcut paraffin wax) reduces the tendency of acandle to bleed.• Variation in storage and transport temperaturesmay cause or aggravate candle bleed.• Additives (microcrystalline wax, polyethylene,petrolatum, Vybar, and EVA) can effectivelyreduce candle bleed.• Additives function differently depending onfragrance and wax selection.• Production conditions must be optimizedfor each wax-fragrance system.Please keep in mind that the above test was performed using paraffin wax, not soy or palm wax. That being said, I think it is reasonable to assume that there is enough similarity between paraffin and other waxes to conclude that similar processes may cause syneresis in soy and other wax candles.The "lady who works at a supply store" should not be considered a reliable source for information.:rolleyes2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 i have never had a soy candle sweat, and i use from 1-1.5 oz of fo per pound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinMom Posted July 2, 2007 Author Share Posted July 2, 2007 Thank you everyone and yes I did ask if she meant frost and it was sweating. I was a little leary about trying soy if this was true, but since it isnt I am HAPPY....thank you for all your information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulieK Posted July 7, 2007 Share Posted July 7, 2007 My newly poured soy candles have been "sweating" lately, but minimally. I only use 1 oz. fo per pound, but my shop has been VERY warm (ok, hot) the last few weeks. In my case, I'm sure it's the temperature, because it's certainly not fragrance overload and nothing else has changed except the air temperature/humidity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacien Posted July 8, 2007 Share Posted July 8, 2007 Temperature is a big variable for sweating if all else is done properly. So don't sweat it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 I just made my second batch of candles today and again they are sweating. The house is not that hot. Just over 70 degrees. According to the Candle & Soap Making For Dummies, It says to use a soft microcrystalline. I seached for this at BC and only came up with Petrolatum. It said it was for containers but didn't say it was to help sweating. Is this the same thing as microcrystalline? I have only made 5 candles and am sick of the sweating already!!! If I can get this taken care of, my candles would be great!!!Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 What's your FO load, Dawn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 1 1/2 oz. to 1 lb. of wax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Try backing off to 1 oz pp and see if the sweating diminishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 I will do that tomorrow. I think I will heat the jars like the first batch. At least they didn't come out as bad as the second when it came to the sweating. I put the one's I made today in the basement in hopes that that will help them some. Thanks.Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 Well, I made another batch today and forgot the warm the jars but, I have NO SWEAT!!! Wax is hugging the jar very nice. I do, however, have the top of one looking like it has "pock" marks so do I just heat the top to get rid of that? TIA.Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 A quick pass with the heat gun oughta do the trick! Glad you are getting things "dialed in" and having fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 It appears I should have kept my big mouth shut. I just went to show my candles to my mom and one of them is sweating. Oh, the joy of soy I guess, hey? Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 I assume we are talking about unlit candles here? If so, I haven't had to deal with sweating. However, if I light a soy candle, there is a small amount of sweating that takes place on the top of the candle until the melt pool has grown to full size. Does that count as sweating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 19, 2007 Share Posted July 19, 2007 Yes, I am referring to an unlit candle. I am not sure about sweating at the top of the candle so can't help ya there. Mine are sweating on the side of the jar. You can see the space between the jar and and the wax. That is what they refer to as sweating, correct?Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.S. Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Yes, I am referring to an unlit candle. I am not sure about sweating at the top of the candle so can't help ya there. Mine are sweating on the side of the jar. You can see the space between the jar and and the wax. That is what they refer to as sweating, correct?DawnNo, that is a wet spot. And we would all like a solution to that problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted July 20, 2007 Share Posted July 20, 2007 Well, according to Candles & Soap Making for Dummies, it says to use a soft microcrystalline to get the wax to hug the mold. I posted this somewhere else earlier and never did get a response from it.Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoyCandleQueen Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 I just wanted to let ya all know that I have cured my wet spot problems. I washed my jars in the dishwasher and made a batch Wednesday afternoon and don't see any spots at all. YIIIIIPPPPEEEE!!!!!Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sally Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Congratulations on getting wet spot free candles.....now wait for the weather to change & take another look, I've found wet spots can come & go with ambient air temperature changes.....one of those soy things I think.Sally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stella1952 Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 Not just a soy thing - can happen with any container candle. Temperature does have to do with it, but if you have wet spots from the beginning, it won't really matter if you get more later on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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