Rick Posted November 25, 2006 Share Posted November 25, 2006 Do FOs "bond" with soy, or form a "solution" (like milk & syrup) with soy? Does anyone know for sure? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassandra Posted November 26, 2006 Share Posted November 26, 2006 That is very interesting question. I'm not sure, but I think that's part of the reason soy has to cure? It's still crystallizing and bonding long after the candle has set up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 26, 2006 Author Share Posted November 26, 2006 Yes it may be related to curing. I've asked that question many, many times everywhere and no one so far knows for sure. The basis of my interest has to do with the adding temp of FO, the curing time, and the throw. The only thing I know is that some materials (non-soy & non-fo) have the greatest probability of bonding / binding at certain temperature ranges, and that the intended end effect of the product is achieved that way. If that's the case with soy and fo, then the right temp range has to be used. And if not the case, then a much wider temp range can be used. Some people add FO at 175 and others add as low as 125 with equally good results. My best guess is that soy & fo form a mixture, not a bond. And therefore lower adding temps are ok (tho maybe requiring more mixing time), and a longer curing time simply allows more time for diffusion in the mix.Thanks for replying. I hope others will offer their opinions too. Or maybe a survey about fo adding temps? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I've added my FO's to EZ Soy at 130, 150, and 170 and pretty much get the same results scent wise, but when I add at the lower temps it does take a day or two (or three) for the scent to settle in! Some have said that adding beeswax can help hold the scent (and for the tops) but I have found that with or without the beeswax I get the same strength scent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinInOR Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 This link is more about paraffin, but it has a few nuggets of thoughts to chew over - there's also a link to another threadhttp://www.candletech.com/cgi-local/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=Discussions;action=display;num=1084400725 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kassandra Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Okay, check out this fascinating link:http://www.ngiwax.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12 It also gives you ANTOHER link on THAT page that is quite interesting about what happens to soy wax as it becomes a solid. I don't know if it will answer any questions, but it very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 Thanks Kassandra and Robin for the links - I looked over all the info and it's very interesting, especially the stuff on polymorphing. Nuggets to chew on indeed. I don't know if I'm more confused now or on the path to an answer! But somehow I feel I'm at least understanding the relationships better. And now I'd make a bet instead of guess that it's a mixture happening and not a bond at all. I think knowing that makes a big difference about managing all other variables. Thank you too Kelly, helpful info to know. Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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