classylady71118 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 conditioner? I have a creme recipe I'm wanting to try out and it calls for a emulsifying conditioner??? I bought the Polysorbate 80 thinking thats what it is, but I don't want to attempt making it until I know I bought the correct ingredient????Thanks again,Beverly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapermom Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I would say yes.. its a surfactant and emulsifier. sufactanst reduce the surface tension, they soften and condition the water, and whats in the water like fabric softener, hair conditioner etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yes, it's an emulisfier and surfactant, but no, it can't be subbed out for conditioning emulisifier and get anywhere near the same properties.Conditioning emulisifier is: Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetyl Alcohol (and) Butylene GlycolIt's also known as BTMS.It's know for adding softness and less tack than regular e-wax, and leaves your hair soft soft soft. IMO, PS 80 just makes things water soluable and a tad less greasy. You can pick up the conditioning emulsifier at MMS, I believe the Herbarie and To Die For carry them also. The only thing I'd sub for BTMS is BTMS 50 or one of the Iroquat's (not sure I spelled that right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapermom Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Yes, it's an emulisfier and surfactant, but no, it can't be subbed out for conditioning emulisifier and get anywhere near the same properties.Conditioning emulisifier is: Behentrimonium Methosulfate (and) Cetyl Alcohol (and) Butylene GlycolIt's also known as BTMS.It's know for adding softness and less tack than regular e-wax, and leaves your hair soft soft soft. IMO, PS 80 just makes things water soluable and a tad less greasy. You can pick up the conditioning emulsifier at MMS, I believe the Herbarie and To Die For carry them also. The only thing I'd sub for BTMS is BTMS 50 or one of the Iroquat's (not sure I spelled that right).good to know, I have never used this, the only other thing I use "related" iscelquat H100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
classylady71118 Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 Thanks so much!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 good to know, I have never used this, the only other thing I use "related" iscelquat H100 Hmm... Never heard of this one.. Teach me soapermom! What is it? Where do you find it! Something new! Must try! LOL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Hmm... Never heard of this one.. Teach me soapermom! What is it? Where do you find it! Something new! Must try! LOL!!Ut-Oh, Bunny's frothing at the bit and her wheels are a spinning!! Write this down in the books. Something Bunny doesn't know about. I think this may be a first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 LMAO!!!! That'll be enough of that girl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I really thought there wasn't anything you (or Robin) didn't know or hadn't heard of, read about etc. Man if I could have just half of your knowledge there would be no stopping me!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Nahh.. Things stop me all the time. I'm just relentless! And you should see all the stuff I've tossed due to mess ups or experimenting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Well I still bow down to you and your knowledge and expertise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 And I still think you're nuts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yep I'm certifiable. LOL Kids and hubby will do that to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ya know.. Maybe If we keep talking bath and forth Soapermom will see it and come back and tell me what in the heck that stuff is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapermom Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 ok ..HI.. I see it!! LOLcelquat is a cationic polymer, there are several formulations of it, some mnore cationic than others, some have the ability to emulsify some are just to use in conjuction with other surfactants. (copied from website) When added to skin lotions and creams CELQUAT H-100 imparts a smooth, velvety, non-oily feel to the skin. It does feel nice, too much can gel though... and feel kinda like "gel" I have been playing with it for while and its just amazing LOL.I am a bit of an alchemist/mad scientist type.I played with this.. and added it to oils and in the right concentration it can act like viggie thix.. and thicken and emulsfy oils alone to "fake" butter.I played with it the other day and added some to MP... and I don't know if it did anything truly beneficial as far as I didn't notice the soap felt silkier.. BUT.. side effect????? the MP had more lather than I had ever seen on MP. creamy lather. It had normal bubbles, but the amount and texture of creamy lather was akin to shaving cream.. it was THAT thick!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ok.. and where do you get it? (You just had to know I was going to ask!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridith Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I wonder if Lotion Crafters would have it? They carry all kinds of cool stuff. I don't have the link bookmarked on this computer though and a search didn't bring them up. :undecidedI found the sight but I am not finding it on there. So never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soapermom Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ok.. and where do you get it? (You just had to know I was going to ask!!) samples from national starch, they also distribute through lipscomb chemcial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Ohhhhhh samples! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DOGGIE!!!!!!!Thanks a bunch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.