FaithfulScenter Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Ok, so as you all know I have been testing with 4630/4633 for a while now. As I research more, 4786 keeps coming up. Has anyone tested this and chosen 4630 over it? I keep coming back to it, but I don't want to start testing ANOTHER wax Is it really as good as everyone says?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Ok, so as you all know I have been testing with 4630/4633 for a while now. As I research more, 4786 keeps coming up. Has anyone tested this and chosen 4630 over it? I keep coming back to it, but I don't want to start testing ANOTHER wax Is it really as good as everyone says??Tried both, and though I cannot stand the re-pour needed with the 4786, it remains my favorite wax; in my own experience, much better than 4630.It may be a good idea to get a sample of the 4786 and see for yourself; you may want to stick with the 4630, but you won't know until you try .4786 IS excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 27, 2013 Author Share Posted July 27, 2013 Alrighty Ravens. That's what I was afraid to hear. But if its better I NEED to try it! Off to peak I go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthia3030 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Tried both, and though I cannot stand the re-pour needed with the 4786, it remains my favorite wax; in my own experience, much better than 4630.It may be a good idea to get a sample of the 4786 and see for yourself; you may want to stick with the 4630, but you won't know until you try .4786 IS excellent.Ravens, I performed a very quick search of 4786 wax after reading you alls post and all of the major distributors describe 4786 as "excellent", just as you. However they differ in their descriptions in that some describe it as creamy, smooth, opaque, etc. I've never tried 4786 because it is not a one pour but I think I'm interested in giving it a try. Can you give me some more information from your personal experience such as adhesion, does it smoke, etc., fragrance load. Oh, what brand of wicks do you use? Thanks very much. Cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Hello, Cynthia3030I'll try my best The 4786 is a hard wax but not as hard as the 4794 or the CBL129 (both of which I have and tried - and occasionally still use). It does make a fairly creamy candle, but not as creamy-looking as the 4633. Based on my experience, no matter at what temp you pour, the wax still needs to be topped-off; better do this 12 hrs. after your first pour. I let them sit overnight and then re-pour.Glass adhesion, in all honesty, isn't great but (confession time) it's not something I excessively worry about and it really isn't that bad, though some may disagree. Best if you let it cure a couple of days; there are chandlers who pour one day and test the next, and claim the HT throw is there, but I prefer to wait a few days.Only time it'll smoke is if you go well over 1 oz. of FO pp; I keep it at 1 oz. pp, or if the wicking is all wrong.Zinc wicks work best for me with this wax; I use two 44Z in the 10 oz. comfort jars (I buy them from LS), and here is the link:http://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/products/candlecontainers_anchor-country-comfort-jar-10oz.htmlHth and wish you success! :smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzy Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Hello, Cynthia3030I'll try my best The 4786 is a hard wax but not as hard as the 4794 or the CBL129 (both of which I have and tried - and occasionally still use). It does make a fairly creamy candle, but not as creamy-looking as the 4633. Based on my experience, no matter at what temp you pour, the wax still needs to be topped-off; better do this 12 hrs. after your first pour. I let them sit overnight and then re-pour.Glass adhesion, in all honesty, isn't great but (confession time) it's not something I excessively worry about and it really isn't that bad, though some may disagree. Best if you let it cure a couple of days; there are chandlers who pour one day and test the next, and claim the HT throw is there, but I prefer to wait a few days.Only time it'll smoke is if you go well over 1 oz. of FO pp; I keep it at 1 oz. pp, or if the wicking is all wrong.Zinc wicks work best for me with this wax; I use two 44Z in the 10 oz. comfort jars (I buy them from LS), and here is the link:http://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/products/candlecontainers_anchor-country-comfort-jar-10oz.htmlHth and wish you success! :smiley2:I agree with everything stated here it's a great wax...it does have the wet spot issue but it's honestly not something most people even notice. I switched to 4786 because it's closest to my old beloved TCS wax *insert evil stare directed at Loren* I wish he'd bring the old wax back!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se2653 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 can it be used for tarts? or should it be mixed with anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthia3030 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Hello, Cynthia3030I'll try my best The 4786 is a hard wax but not as hard as the 4794 or the CBL129 (both of which I have and tried - and occasionally still use). It does make a fairly creamy candle, but not as creamy-looking as the 4633. Based on my experience, no matter at what temp you pour, the wax still needs to be topped-off; better do this 12 hrs. after your first pour. I let them sit overnight and then re-pour.Glass adhesion, in all honesty, isn't great but (confession time) it's not something I excessively worry about and it really isn't that bad, though some may disagree. Best if you let it cure a couple of days; there are chandlers who pour one day and test the next, and claim the HT throw is there, but I prefer to wait a few days.Only time it'll smoke is if you go well over 1 oz. of FO pp; I keep it at 1 oz. pp, or if the wicking is all wrong.Zinc wicks work best for me with this wax; I use two 44Z in the 10 oz. comfort jars (I buy them from LS), and here is the link:http://www.lonestarcandlesupply.com/products/candlecontainers_anchor-country-comfort-jar-10oz.htmlHth and wish you success! :smiley2:Well, after reading your description and Lizzy's endorsement, I was ready to order a case of 4786 wax. However, after reviewing archived posts ad nauseum, I will reconsider my initial excitement relative to purchasing a case and perhaps purchase only a slab, which I hate doing. Basically speaking, the major factor about 4786 that I found unfavorable centered around adhesion and/or wet spots and I think that can be a subjective factor. A few wet spots, some wet spots, a lot of wet spots, to me, is in the eyes of the person judging the wet spots.I am very curious to see a creamy-looking hard candle ... that consistency sounds kind of pretty, unlike many of IGIs pre-blends. As far as topping the candles off, that isn't a deal breaker because oftentimes I've found it necessary to top off so-called one pour waxes.I am going to have a hard time sticking to 6% fragrance oil pp. I don't think 7 or 8 % will create a noticeable amount of smoke or I hope it doesn't, but of course that's where my testing comes in.Have you all tried the Sao Vitor wicks? I have not. From memory - personally I wouldn't bet on it entirely- they are the German version of the Atkins & Pearce zinc core wicks, the distinction being, I think, the Sao Vitor doesn't mushroom as much as the Atkins & Pearce and some aspect of the SV is color coded. I think this would be a good time to try the SV wicks.Thanks for you alls help and input. At this point I am relatively sure I will place an order for 4786 so that I will have it to test the weekend, the big question is how much because it really seems like the type of paraffin wax that I'm looking for at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Cynthia have you order Peak's sample size waxes? I was buying a slab at a time and then realized that they offered 2 pound sample sizes of wax. You likely already know that, but I sure wanted to mention just in case.Anyway, it was a good way for me to try a number of waxes at once at only $4-$5 each.Since I do not make candles, 2 pounds may not be enough for your type of testing so perhaps my suggestion is not appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthia3030 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Cynthia have you order Peak's sample size waxes? I was buying a slab at a time and then realized that they offered 2 pound sample sizes of wax. You likely already know that, but I sure wanted to mention just in case.Anyway, it was a good way for me to try a number of waxes at once at only $4-$5 each.Since I do not make candles, 2 pounds may not be enough for your type of testing so perhaps my suggestion is not appropriate.Karen, I think that's an excellent idea. Do you know if Peak will allow me to order two of the 2-pound samples? I won't even ask but assume it doesn't include shipping. On second thought 2 pounds will serve my purpose. Yippee! Problem solved. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justajesuschick Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I sure assume they would. They do not have samples of every wax they sell but certainly many of those mentioned in this thread. Per pound you will pay more but if you have wax that you do not like, there is no need to have 8 pounds of it left unless you have local friends who play with wax (I do not). It worked out to be a better use of money and wax for me to test this way (after I caught on that is!) rather than having half slabs of 6 or 8 different waxes that I was not moving ahead with. Peak just had a promo that ended yesterday. Perhaps a new one will be out sooner than Wednesday night (usually when their new one is emailed and posted on Facebook). If you are not in a hurry, I might wait until Wednesday night just in case the special happens to be 25% off shipping. Then again, perhaps if you were to get 5, 2 pound samples the shipping would be similar to ordering a 10 pound slab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthia3030 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Okay. I went to their cart and I can order two samples of the 2-pounders. The shipping for one sample is approximately $8.75 and about $1.50 more for two samples. For a 10-pound slab shipping is about $10.75 and the slab is about $18.50.You're right, though, there is no need to have wax on hand that doesn't work for me so the 2-pound sample should suffice. You helped me solve my dilemma and saved me money in the process. Thanks, Karen. Good looking out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynthia3030 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 can it be used for tarts? or should it be mixed with anything?I am not sure because I have never used 4786. I have read in previous posts that it sticks in clamshells and on the other hand, I have read that it snaps out of clamshells; some forum members say 4786 is suitable for tarts, others say it is not suitable for tarts. Go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 I'm not sure who it was, but a while back someone shared this link with me when I was working on my candle blend. http://www.cajuncandles.com/container-candle-making-guide.htmlIt helped me decide on 4633, and now I am referring back to it for the 4786. I'm going to try this blend for candles, and try a 50/50 of 4786 and 4625 for my tarts. I'm not a stickler on wet spots, so I think I may like this blend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) If I were you, I would not use 4786 for clamshells, 'cause it will not release; mix it with a harder wax. 4630, 4633, 415, 4794 and others will do.hth :-) Edited July 29, 2013 by Ravens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Even mixed with 4625, it will not release? I could do 60/40 instead of 50/50. I wonder how well it will crumble? Is 4786 a super soft wax? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravens Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Even mixed with 4625, it will not release? I could do 60/40 instead of 50/50. I wonder how well it will crumble? Is 4786 a super soft wax?Yes, it will release with 4625; I've tried it :smiley2: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puma52 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The 4786 is the ONLY wax I have ever used for containers....if it works perfectly, why change? I have been using this wax since 2000 when I started my business. My customers love the throw that they get from the 4786. 2nd pour...pain in the butt, but worth it. As far as the wet spots....my customers could care less about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Thank you Puma! May I ask what wicks you suggest I start with? I have zincs, do you find them to be the best? I noticed thats what Cajun Candles uses as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puma52 Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Thank you Puma! May I ask what wicks you suggest I start with? I have zincs, do you find them to be the best? I noticed thats what Cajun Candles uses as well.Cajun candles were/are a great Mentor for me and love their stuff! Yes Ma'am, you can't go wrong with the zincs. I use the 51s in a lot of the jars I make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Thank you! I know I have zincs in 2 or 3 different sizes, and my local supply carries them. Can't wait to get my wax!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puma52 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Keep us posted!! We want to hear what ya think!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pita4294 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've used 4786 as a mixer.. DON'T mix it with another hard wax for clams! I mixed it with 4794 and its awful to try and get of the clams! I ended up taking a pair of scissors to them after I broke off two nails lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puma52 Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've used 4786 as a mixer.. DON'T mix it with another hard wax for clams! I mixed it with 4794 and its awful to try and get of the clams! I ended up taking a pair of scissors to them after I broke off two nails lolAckkk!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithfulScenter Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 I've used 4786 as a mixer.. DON'T mix it with another hard wax for clams! I mixed it with 4794 and its awful to try and get of the clams! I ended up taking a pair of scissors to them after I broke off two nails lol Yikes!!! I'll probably just stick to crumbles, they always sold best for me anyway. We'll see, I'll keep you all posted!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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