sisters3

Good morning to you too! I've been contemplating offering more than one line but wasn't sure if I needed to use different fragrances and containers or just fragrances. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

The only container that is used exclusivley for any particular line is our men's line container. I think its easier to differentiate between lines with scents and labeling (different graphics, different labels, etc.) Our "metro" line (still unsure of the name) I think will be the most difficult scent list to come up with. Good luck to my sister

Yes, I trademarked my business name...it was actually pretty easy...check out Legalzoom...they will walk you through the process and they are reasonable....good luck!

Thanks very much. The question I have is what classification code should be used for candles. Here is all that I could find:

Class 4 (Lubricants and fuels).

Industrial oils and greases; lubricants; dust absorbing, wetting and binding compositions; fuels (including motor spirit) and illuminants; candles, wicks.

Would this be correct? Is this the class that you used as a chandler?

Thank you very much!!

Edited To Say: I am doing state registration first, on my own. Will eat the expense of federal filing later in the year, God willing

Hello, looking for just a bit of help here.

I won't bore you with all of the details, BUT if there are any chandlers out there that have registered their trademark, either federal or state, PLEASE let me know. I have just a few questions.

Thanks so much!!

sisters3 - when developing a separate line do you use the same fragrances with just a different container or are the fragrances different for each line too?

Hi there, good morning! My sister picks the scents for each line, she's really good at it. Different line, different scents. We started experimenting with custom blends a few months back, some really good.....and some really bad But loving every minute of it!

Only two things come to mind. Make sure that the container is not pottery or earthy ceramic, those can absorb and wick. Doesn't look like it in the pic. The other is that many of these pretty containers are made in China and use lead in the glaze. You can tell if it has a metallic look. You can also tell by microwaving for a few seconds and if it heats up, it has lead. I won't use stuff that has lead in the glaze for safety reasons.

Thank you SO MUCH....That is a really great tip and great information.

You bet ! We LOVE the brown kraft labels, the texture is super! That is suprising that your haven't seen any around. Its great though, you can get in there with them when no one else in your area is! Have fun no matter what you decide to do, the design of the lines is one of my favorite things to do. Get it laid out and make it your own

What we have done is to develop different lines, all under the same company name but packaged specific to each line. Our comfort line is packaged more country/rustic, our metro line is more edgey, our spa line is more refined/upsale, and our new mens line of candles is just that, for men, and our presentation will show that, hopefully.

I think something as simple as using different labels between lines makes all the difference. For example, our comfort line uses brown kraft labels, our spa and metro lines use clear "no label" look labels.

We omit our business logo graphic (a retro angel) for a few of the lines, which works just fine. If you want to keep your "real business logo" graphic, maybe toss a png file of a cowboy hat your guy's head to replace the top hat?

Hope some of this helps, HOW FUN !!! Good Luck

Edited to say: I would (we have) done custom labels specific to the line/store that we are cold calling

Steve, Chris R, and rjdaines, thanks so much. I correct myself, 160ish degree was, not 185. The opinions, experince help a ton. I do tend to "over think" things. Let the testing begin!

Ok, Im trying to learn here but ... what would be the difference in wicking that and making it a container, than if you were to make votive at home. Wouldnt you be doing essentially the same thing?

I think I understand what you are asking, but forgive me if I get it wrong. That essentially IS my question. Would there be a difference? I get concerned that IF a container was meant to have 185 degree wax poured into it and subsequently burned than it would be sold as such, but I would really like to pour into some of these containers and am trying to see what others think about the safety of that OR if they too would feel that if you can burn a votive in it....you can wick it, pour, and make a container candle out of it.

Edited to say: I too am learning....all the time

Oh, I'm with you on the bit more work, but I see so many really beautiful containers marketed as "votive holders" that I would LOVE to pour in from time to time and not just the same containers over and over. Plus, we leave our wax natural so sometimes we like a boost of color or something. I found some really pretty red "votive holders" at a local store, probably would hold an 8oz pour, so on the bigger side, but I wondered IF I could pour into them why aren't they marketed that way, I mean they are really different.

Thanks so much for your input, always appreciated!

Hello! Would like opinions on this please. I found these beautiful "votive holders". My question is, IF a container is sold as a "votive holder" am I able to POUR my soy candles in them as well?

Thank you!

Not yet. I live within an hour of WSP & NG, so one of these days I'll go to NG. CandleWic is the one I'd like to see!

You and me both!! When you do get to go just plan to spend several hours

I'll guess that your 16 oz apoth is about the same diameter as my 8 oz apoth, singling wicking was a disaster in terms of soot but what did work were 2 ECO 2s.

As I recall you use GB464 as well, right? May I ask if you tried a CD single wick? Was it with an ECO or CD single that you got the soot? I do find that with the "softness" of GB464 that I have a very high rate of "cleanup/catch up" on subsequent burns, so I was really hoping that we could get this single wicked. Thank you!

Tracey, I really like them as well and they give some color to our candles. Actually I do get to visit Candles and Supplies from time to time, it is located near our corporate offices. Have you ever gone to one? Its crazy, I was in there for 2 hours!!!!!

I'm beginning to like ECO wicks, so more testing is in my future.

Funny you should say that. Through our testing we have found that the ECO wicks burn much hotter, at least in our wax, so for the hard to wick containers that could use a smaller wick with a little extra push we test ECO wicks. I'm having a tough time with the 16 oz apothocary and we really want to single wick, we MAY test an ECO, we'll see. First want to test a CD20 or 22 and see what happens.

Have you tried warming the jars prior to pouring in the wax?

To the OP mzphee: Did you see this suggestion? I can tell you that warming my jars to decrease the temp differential between wax and jar, and further cooling on a rack has all but eliminated wetspots for me. I use GB464 and have had my share. OK just wanted to be sure that you saw this. Good Luck!

Looks good, so let's have some details: where did the container come from, what size is it, what wax are wicks are you using; inquiring minds would like to know.

Thank you! OK, the container is the "chunk" container from Couronne (recycled glass wholesaler) out of Texas, 38oz, GB464, (4) ECO 4's (the only ECO wick we use, all others are CD) So far I can pick the container up and move it without feeling any heat, so that pleases me!

You know Tracey, I don't know how, but we figure it out. We have learned to schedule "pours" so that I am not tempted to head to our workshop in the evening, its tough though! I'll be on the road all next week AGAIN but that's ok because it keeps me from be tempted to burn the newbies too early They call these containers "chunk" and they sure are thick. I love their colored cubes, here they are:

Hi there!! I know that you DO have a good idea We signed up for a wholesale account with a Texas company that maufactures recycled glass into candle containers. I did a ton of research first to be sure they are safe, all checked out and people LOVE the idea of recycled glass containers. This size actually was actually on clearance so we bought several and hope they will be popular. We're done testing, I think, and would like to debut them at our show March 10th. They sure can handle the heat!! The HT is wonderful, this one is our home brew for "peppermint patty" They also have beautiful colored containers and we love them because we do not color our wax, so the pure white looks super!

UPDATE: We are testing our Quad Wick Big Boy. These are after 6 Hours

Your thoughts?

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Just wanted to share this. Good Luck!

Hi there, good morning. Hope this helps, here is the "math" section of my pour sheets:

(_____) containers x (______) oz per container = __________ ÷ 20 = _________ lb Wax OR (______) oz

Fragrance Load: (______) oz wax x 0.08 (8%) = (______) oz of scent oil

I think its pretty much like what you are doing, this just works better for me.

Hmmmm, thanks. Do you think maybe an ECO-6 was too big for that container, maybe? I normally use CD wicks but have wicked that diameter of container and ECO-4 was plenty. I use GB464, so not sure how that compares to the GB415. Could it being over wicked have maybe contributed to the soot?

Holy Cow!! What size container is that please?

No 464 lovers, I'm surprised!!!!

Just seeing this post. I use and LOVE GB464, its what I started with and stuck with it. I have a binder of pour sheets, notes, etc. It, like any wax, has its issues, I have not seen anyone that has found the "perfect wax"

I am very happy with the HT and CT, now there are some FO's that simply don't do well, but I have my list and know to stay away from them and it has not been an issue at all, I think there are only (3) that the HT just was not there, BUT I can't say that the HT is any better in other waxes either.

I think, for me anyway, that the best thing was to pick a wax and stick with it through thick and thin, learn to get along with it and determine its limitations. Anything more than that would just confuse me. So.....yes, I LOVE 464!!

BTW, no frosting issues here, but I do not color my wax, it stays white. HTH Good Luck!