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I use double boiler method..when wax is completely melted I pull out wick (or use a fork to loosen wick tab if its still affixed then lift out) then pour into other pot and you can always add a small amount of fo to it, stir, wait till pour temp then pour into new container.

Stella, thanks for clearing up frosting issue...makes sense that its the dye that shows it and the fo that causes it (along with other variables of course)...always learning :embarasse

I'm still testing wicks with the 464...but I'm with the previous posts-ECO's are not my first or second choice with this wax. Call or email WickIt, they will send you out a very generous supply of different series wicks for only a $5 shipping charge. Your jar is too large for the ECO 14 and you probably will be disappointed by the burn and ht of it. SimpleScents is right about lower pouring temps for the 464 as well, the tops are smoother-I always got sink holes around wick with higher pouring temps. I can't help you with dye because I've chosen to work with this wax au naturale ; )...don't like frosting!

In soy what throws well for me are...Pumpkin Souffle, Cranberry Marmalade, Hazelnut Coffee, Mistletoe, Hansel and Gretels House, Raspberry Sangria, and Beach Linen

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Hi, the previous 2 posts are dead on...I've been working with 464 and it's a PITA to wick, but CD's do work much better than ECO's (you can get sample packs from WickIt for shpng only) as I've recently found out thanks to Stella and cure time is SO important. I do not test for scent throw until at least a 5 day cure time. CandleScience fo's never disappoint me-Hazelnut Coffee, Pumkin Souffle, Mistletoe are all standouts for me among many others. It's very rare to get any scent throw at all after only a 24 hr cure time...keep trying-it's worth it when you make that 1st good candle

Thanks everyone, your input is invaluable and encouraging :smiley2: I do want to mention that I did find the near perfect formula for CBA and am quite satisfied with the looks and ct/ht. However I am now trying to make a "green" candle using only earthy scents with no dye-hence debating between the 415 and 444 for ht only. 464 has and still is being a PITA to wick-more testers being poured tomorrow GB seems to be more readily available and affordable than most...again thanks!

thanks, I will continue to experiment through trial and error but appreciate the feedback-helps keep me sane

Thanks for the advice...I was going to try CO to improve ht but I guess it's used more for smoother tops, etc. I let candles cure for a week and use mostly CS fo's-really like them. I'm experimenting with 464-I use CBA as well, love the looks-ht could be stronger. I have tried 100% soy candles from a mother/daughter team north of here that make great smelling candles but cannot duplicate their strong ht with CBA or 464-wondering if the 444 or all soy 415 would be better for ht...gotta love the testing! (I do not use dye for 464 only CBA)

Hmm...ok I will try that...I was reading on an older thread about CO where numerous people had commented that CO would help with ht...I will try your suggestion first. I don't use dye with 464 because for now I'm still trying to figure out the wicking situation. I know tempering (tempuring lol) really helps with frosting issue but I'm not going to concern myself with that-one thing at a time:tongue2: Personal opinion anyone?...If I decide not to use dye-would I get better ht with GB 415, 444, or 464? These waxes seem readily available at a reasonable price...

Stella, I burned it to the end-was testing 5 completely different wicks and liked the CD18 but only ever got to a 1/4" deep mp even after a 4 hour burn...CBA is SO much easier to deal with but I want a stronger ht and 464 is more affordable. From previous threads from you and others I've gathered that CDN burns slightly hotter than a same sized CD wick so that's why I thought maybe the CDN18 would be just right The ht was ok-I know it could be better tho...I'm also going to try 1/2 tsp of CO to see if that helps too. I use 464, 8.5% fo load, 16 oz canning jar and cure for 5-7 days before testing. Thanks once again for the help everyone

So I ordered a huge sample pack from WickIt (thanks WickIt!), and I'm still trying to wick my 3.2" 16 oz canning jars using 464...The CD18 is not quite hot enough but from the research I've done it appears CDN's burn slightly hotter so would the CDN 18 be the next to try or CDN20? Reason I ask is WickIt only sent CD18's the rest were their Premier 700,800, and 900 series...thanks!

They're beautiful...Black Canyon reminds me of our Grand Canyon :smiley2:

I use Ecosoya CBA and GB464...LX works great in CBA but not the 464-still testing wicks for the 464, but I'm with you on the LX for Ecosoya waxes :smiley2:

I'm with you Jonsie, rather learn here any day than to have a customer tell me and Stella-THANK YOU for all the helpful advice-really appreciate the links that you provide for in depth info...

They're beautiful!! The Polar Express also reminds me of Northern Lights-amazing...

I use CBA and 464...the Egyptian Sheets smells really nice in the 464, I have trouble with ht with their fo's in CBA

In the CBA for a 3 1/4" 16 oz. jar I use LX26...do NOT care for LX in 464 tho-hope that helps!

Looking for a non-seasonal name for H & G's House...fo description is-H & G's house covered w/ vanilla frosting, cinnamon sticks, toasted graham crackers and juicy raisins...any suggestions? Thanks!

Thanks! I test burned the 795 and while the flame is perfect its not giving me a full melt pool so I'm trying the 798...I do love the way these burn and look in the 464. WickIt is sending out some more samples including the CDN's so on with the testing next week ; )

Trying to think up a non-seasonal name for this fo..description of it is-H & G's house covered w/ vanilla frosting, cinn. sticks, toasted graham crackers, and juicy raisins. It has a nice spicy cinn-bakery scent to it. Any suggestions are appreciated!

Stella-once again thanks for all the helpful advice...I ordered more 464 and will continue experimenting because I really would like to color the candles.

Carebear-LOL I was debating which way to spell temper...

I've noticed on the few occassions that I've had to remelt some of the candles (using 464), that the frost was completely emliminated. So if I were to tempur the wax from now on to avoid frost in the colored candles do I...1) melt wax, then cool to slushy, then remelt and add dye and fo or 2) melt wax, add dye and fo, cool, then remelt? I'm thinking #1 to avoid losing fo am I right or will adding dye after 2nd melt reproduce the frosting?

CONGRATS!! Have fun

Thanks for the suggestions...I'll order some CD's to try also...I wanted to give 464 a try and I can see this wax is going to take some time. Looks great when you tempur it but time consuming and I really like the look with colored candles so I'll just play around with this for awhile and see what I can come up with as far as the frosting goes. As I mentioned in earlier posts, I'm spoiled with the beautiful look of my candles using CBA and I've finally found a supplier whose FO's work really well and I'm happy with the ct and ht. The 464 is quite a bit more affordable but I cannot get it to perform (look) consistent-varies from fo to pour temp to wick etc...Now if only the CBA could get away with using a lower% of fo...Yeah, nothings that easy :rolleyes2