Great discussion!! Thanks. What is IGI 4786? My product line is strictly vegi... Also, is Vybar a petroleum product?...I've heard of it, but never used it. My experiment went better than expected. I poured at 205 (hotter than they say to use). Once they were completely cool, I was able to flex the mold to release the sides. This will make production harder since I used to be able to get them out well before they were cool, so I could move on. It was easier with 5% stearic....and better yet with 50% old PQ and 50% new PQ. None of my tests included my EOs...that's next. My supplier suggested getting a mini air-compressor, which I may still do. My other test will be to melt these three tests down and repour. I have found in the past that this causes more shrink. Candlewic's Palm 2 was really weird...crystals on the bottom fading to almost no crystal on the top and has a really strange vinegar smell when melted. It did come right out, but made a bigger air pocket than normal. Given what the Malaysian's said, I think Candlewic has added something to it for release...as I understand it, there is no other raw palm available now...so Candlewic will have to work with it too. Julianna