NattyCat

yes, another supplier bites the dust. First Cierra and now Solas. They will be closing 30th June with 25% off all items. Nat

the problem I find when pouring it in that crystal state top, is that you then get jump lines where the wax instantly cools against the glass. If you heat the glass so this doesn't happen - that affects the temperature of the wax that is closest to the glass - hence inconsistent cooling.

I cooled mine in the oven and under boxes, and the tops came out like regurgitated cottage cheese.

I get cavities with Cb-135 also. I have poured at so many different temperatures, in warmed glass, cool glass, etc etc and I still get them. It ruins the candle. The only thing you can do if you know you get cavities is to do as I do and poke relief holes whilst the candle is setting up - and then do a repour. You WILL get people responding to this thread telling you that you are pouring your candles wrong, and that CB-135 DOESN'T get cavities - but ignore them - seriously - it DOES happen and after extensive testing, I still cannot figure out why. Nat

Does anyone have any suggestions on wicking E-123 Palm Wax? It's a container wax that is non-crystallizing, from Candle Science. I'm wicking a 3 inch tumbler but can't seem to get it to work. Thanks Nat

oh yes indeedy! our stocks have gone through the ROOF! Although perhaps I shouldn't say that, cos technically we're making money from other people suffering! But still - woo hoo!

Got some samples of golden brands 464 and palm 132 (smooth palm/non crystallizing) from Candle Science so will let you know how I get on with those.

On the same note, does anyone know of suppliers of palm wax that ISN'T fancy? I mean like a palm-fat wax which looks like soy when it sets up - without all the feathering/starburst/glass glow stuff? I'd like to try other waxes, like rapeseed and palm that were not crystallizing - but wouldn't know where to start trying to find that sort of wax. Jakealex - I hear you - but if it's no different then I guess it's not really hurt to try it. I'm just gonna try as many waxes as possible seeing as I don't have to pay to get them shipped here! Nat

is 464 definately one pour? Does it have good glass adhesion? Thanks!

Hi All I currently use Ecosoya, and no matter what I do with it, it's not one pour for me. If I pour just once, even if it sets up beautifully, there is ALWAYS a cavity near the wick that sucks down the entire meltpool, which in turn exposes too much of the wick and destroys the candle. I always have to poke relief holes and then heat gun the tops smooth. This amount of work is restrictive when doing wholesale accounts, but I have been told by one of my accounts that they will ship in a new wax for me as it will increase my production rate. SO....what's REALLY a good one-pour wax? I really don't want suggestions as to how I can improve CB-135, or replace with any other Ecosoya product - I'd like a totally different wax. Over here in the UK we only get one sort of wax - which is Ecosoya, so if someone is going to pay to ship me a new wax then I want to try different ones. What's your experience with any other wax? I was thinking about Golden Brands 464. Are there any other waxes out there that are truly one pour? they have to be soy waxes, not blends. Wouldn't even mind palm wax, but not a feathering/star/frost one, more of a palm fat wax if available. Thanks in advance, Nat

no joy with mine - still yellowing. I'm really not satisfied with the answer I got. So it's "environment" that causes this problem? Well, my products are on shelves, being sold to the general public - I can't store my products in a darkened box just to keep the labels white - my products are subjected to light, dust, and are sat on wooden shelving - that's RETAIL! The whole REASON I got my labels printed was because it would be more professional than anything I could produce myself. My labels are beginning to look totally disgusting as they are mostly white. They look like they've been sitting around since the 50's, not two months. Why should I now have to spray a protective gloss onto my professionally printed labels to stop them yellowing? Surely it's a manufacturing fault and it should be the supplier looking into ways of ensuring our label remain white and pristine instead of the piss yellow they seem to turn when not hermetically sealed in a darkened box?

Now that Cierra is closing - gonna need a new source for those boxes!

Another one bites the dust: http://www.cierracandles.com/message.aspx

Jesus Inez, if anyone has ants in their pants it's you - why are you referring to me in the third person?? I didn't realise there was a time limit on when replies should be posted. I backed away from this thread for a little while to a) diffuse the situation and let it calm down, do some research on wax types and c) think about the direction I wanted to go in with regard to the wax and certification. Just as it calms down around here, you come in with your "snippy" little comments, being all touchy with hurt feelings! Ok. I'm not interested in lipidchem as it is not organic, so if they were the only option that I will pass on that. I am interested in the other organic wax you can obtain as long as I could see the documentation first to prove that it was organic. I don't know when I would need the wax, but I imagine 3-4 weeks is too soon, I'm still at the QUOTE stage so haven't even sent them a price or even been chosen as the supplier - it could all come to nothing. There's nothing more I can add. I can't give you a definate yes, no or maybe until I see documented proof that this wax is organic. I already found one supplier - accuwax - who said their wax was organic and it turns out that it's NOT organic, so I need to make sure this isn't the same situation. I also cant' tell you how much I'd need - but at a guess it would be 2,000lbs to start with, and I can't tell you when I'd need, because I don't know. Sorry.

Seriously, you shouldn't even be fretting over this. Air freshener blanks are dirt cheap, small, don't take up any space and you could fit hundreds in a very small box. Take WAY too many with you and then that's your problem solved - you'll always have enough. Take 400/600/800 - it's not like they're going to take up the whole of your car/truck - you can fit that many in the glove compartment. There really isn't a big deal to be made about this, I just think you're in a tizzy over doing the show and have fixated on this too much. Just chill and enjoy the show.