thanks everyone :smiley2: kalamazoo and scat - i made it like a regular hurricane. i filled up my mold with wax, waited a little while and then dunked the napkin in and wrapped it around the inside. it was a little too short so i had to cut another piece - it is overlapping a bit so i would need to measure it properly if i make another one. i don't make my hurricanes with an insert so it does take a long time to get to the thickness i want. this is a big 6 x 6.5" hurricane and i'm not brave enough to pick it up to put in a water bath. i use a water bath for the smaller 4 x 4.5" hurricanes.