Bambi

Thanks for posting an update. Im currently testing dbl LX 10s with a 3.5 diameter. I have chosen quite a few Lab & Co aka Woodenwick fragrances but 2 of the 3 I plan to include in my launch are Lemon + Thyme and Cedarwood Neroli and Balsam. I also mix 4627 with Coco83 so I will definitely keep that cure time in mind when dealing with lab & co fragrances .

1 hour ago, Thecandlegirl said:

@bambi. Yes,  at the end of the day they are the same wax at Lab & Co & Candles and Supplies. It just depends on freight costs of where you’re located. 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Thecandlegirl, so would you happen to have any insight into wicking this wax? I've tried them all but a running consensus in another candle group im in is CDN wicks work best. Just curious,

4 minutes ago, Bambi said:

@JeremyM, im going to find the email I was sent when I asked the question to confirm. 

@JeremyM I can't find her response at the moment but I do know they offer a discount at either 40 or 50lbs because some other candle makers mentioned it as well. Now im going to have to reaffirm what the actual % and weight is. If I were you, I would definitely call or email them. 

1 hour ago, JeremyM said:

I typically order 50-lb boxes of wax and have never received a discount. I always assumed volume discount was something much larger. I really hope that's the case and I haven't been losing money!

@JeremyM, im going to find the email I was sent when I asked the question to confirm. 

19 minutes ago, Thecandlegirl said:

 

@pughaus you know you’re stuff bcus your percentages are spot on. I didn’t want to go through a 3rd party and possibly risk delaying my orders if they were out of stock so I went straight to the source. 

@Thecandlegirl, are you referring to accublend when you say the source or candles and supplies?

13 minutes ago, CandleRush said:

I’m jealous! I love Lab and Co wax. A representative there told me there is a very small amount of paraffin in it which I appreciate. I love Northwoods but if I had to choose I’d go with Lab and Co. or candles and science if they are the same. 

@candleRush as someone else said, there really isn't too much of a price difference between Lab & Co and Candles and Supplies.  Lab & Co 5lb slab is $14 while Candle Supplies 5lb slab is 13.99.  The difference come when ordering in bulk and even then it's a few dollars more because lab & co gives 20% off anything over 40lbs (I believe).  I've chalked it up to pick your poison and which fares better with shipping. 

4 hours ago, Thecandlegirl said:

Hi, yes I’m so sorry I meant Candles and Supplies. It’s their 5lb coco slab wax. They offer two different kinds.The Coco 83 wax is different from their 5lb Coco slab wax. I do know for a fact that Lab & Co vcc wax and Candle and Supplies 5lb Coco “SLAB” wax is the exact same wax. Perhaps Lab & Co placed an order at different times w/ the manufacturer. There are different factors that play a part as to why one is available and the other isn’t. However, the are the same. 

Very interesting...I just received 15lbs of the lab and co VCC.  I do believe C&S slab contains a small % of beeswax as well. 

17 minutes ago, NightLight said:

That did not make sense, my clipboard is an inch thick with different formulas, ratios from testing. There is no simple, even with one pour waxes. Your pouring enviroment, locale etc. are factors In how your stuff turns out.

Yes, I understand that and too have several notebooks that I've collected just from testing. I guess I was asking are you using a pure coconut wax and blending from that? I do know of a few suppliers that offer pure coconut that states will not work as a standalone. I'm not asking for your formula or your ratios, just maybe a suggestion of the coconut wax. But I understand everything you've mentioned here and in the previous post. Thanks

3 hours ago, NightLight said:

Those waxes you guys tested must have paraffin in them. I created my own coconut wax formul and burns clean with zero soot on candle glass. If you want to use coconut wax you are better off creating your own formula then you won’t be subject to shortages and the whites of candle wax producers.

Do you mind sharing what coconut wax and (supplier) you started out with to create your own formula? I'm open at this point and was actually doing this with Coconut 83 until the factory decided to relocate.

8 minutes ago, JeremyM said:

I use it by itself. Pretty sure there is already plenty of soy in it. Out of curiosity, what are your favorite fragrances from them? I've only tested four at this point and "Rose Patchouli and Amber" is my favorite, followed by "Black Dahlia and White Birch".

@JeremyM, Grapefruit Peppermint & Orange, Sea Salt Mandarin and Orange, Lavender, Vetiver, & Ylang Ylang, Indie, Meditation, Coffee Bean & Caco and Honey Bourbon.  I like all of these because they cater a collection I plan to offer centered around feelings.  However I'm only starting with 3-4 and then gradually add more.  I looked at the Black Dahlia and White Birch but decided upon these to try first.  I also have Coconut and Cilantro and Dark Cassis which smells good.  I placed tested the ones listed above in a warmer with rock salt and the scent is strong even for the lighters fragrances.  Can't wait to use them with the wax.

On 1/17/2019 at 12:13 PM, Bambi said:

@pughaus Hi , with all the recent "turmoil" brewing with Coconut 83 are you satisfied with Lab and Co's virgin coco wax to the point that you would make them your main supplier? I'm currently on the fence and figuring cost difference between the 2 other main suppliers I've gotten coconut 83 from. I had planned to launch my business in the summer but there is so much uncertainty around this coconut wax I'm not sure. 

 

I have tested both 464 and 210 and not satisfied with the inconsistencies with the two of them. I've also tested IGI 6006 with HTP, CDN, ECO and LX wicks and was totally not impressed with the black soot. I know soy candles can soot too but when dealing with just straight soy or coconut soy, I rarely saw soot.

1 hour ago, JeremyM said:

@Bambi I for one am satisfied enough where they have actually become my main candle supplier. This is now where I purchase my wax (Coco Creme) and wood wicks. I'm also testing some of their fragrances at the moment as well. 

For anyone thinking about trying their wax, I tested both the Coco Creme and Coco Apricot blends. I prefered the Coco Creme with soy compared to the apricot blend. Even though they claim these waxes don't sweat as much as 100% soy wax, I find that not to be the case. The apricot blend is softer than the soy blend and sweats more easily as well.

 

Jeremy 

@JeremyM  thanks for your input. I will place an order today. Do you find yourself using the coco creme by itself or are you adding additional soy to it?

I have ordered 9 different fragrances from them to test and im really impressed with them. 

On November 24, 2018 at 12:49 PM, pughaus said:

So true.  I really bought this as a temporary coco substitute to blend with soy but it's worth considering the true cost of time spent tweaking and repairing candles made with a finicky and inconsistent wax.  Yes this is almost double the cost of my usual blend but if it takes less time, needs less FO and produces a superior finished product it may be worth it.  But that's a lot of "ifs"...   We'll see.  

Hi pughaus, with all the recent "turmoil" brewing with Coconut 83 are you satisfied with Lab and Co's virgin coco wax to the point that you would make them your main supplier? I'm currently on the fence and figuring cost difference between the 2 other main suppliers I've gotten coconut 83 from. I had planned to launch my business in the summer but there is so much uncertainty around this coconut wax I'm not sure. 

I have tested both 464 and 210 and not satisfied with the inconsistencies with the two of them. I've also tested IGI 6006 with HTP, CDN, ECO and LX wicks and was totally not impressed with the black soot. I know soy candles can soot too but when dealing with just straight soy or coconut soy, I rarely saw soot.

Yeah, this whole thing is crazy. I attempted to call Accublend today and the number is disconnected. Went to website and received a "404 error" aka website doesn't exist. Candle and supplies is where I normally order 83 from. I called today and expressed my concern with the lack of transparency going on from the suppliers and manufacturers. You have CandleSupply saying they have no estimated return on the 83 and you have Candle and supplies saying they received an email this week saying they would get a shipment the end if this week.  At this point what do you do? I'm seriously thinking about ordering from Lab and Co. This is just frustrating.

Just now, strugglebrother said:

 

Wouldn't make much sense if you aren't buying pallets or if they drop their prices considerably.

 

I haven't tried their fragrance oils but then you have to factor in that they won't be available for long if you aren't doing duplications of them?

Yeah, I did think about that and also trying to dupe them as well.

20 hours ago, strugglebrother said:

 

Will it be possible to order with shipping after December? I like their black tins... Completely black as they should be and no ugly liner

Hi strugglebrother, he said no.  After December they will solely operate from Korea but you could still order from them but then you have to factor in the overseas shipping cost.  Have you ever tried their Fragrance Oils?  I'm on the fence with purchasing a few of the ones they have on sale.  All 16oz bottles are 24.99.

Funny you would mention this company as I stumbled upon them last night.  Noticed a lot of things were on sale so I called to inquire why.  They will no longer have a US store at the end of December.  They will solely operate out of Korea.  :

On 10/23/2017 at 5:09 AM, CandleCrafter6 said:

I have had amazing luck using Cotton Core wicks. They are a match made in heaven. Burns amazing. You need a wick that won’t burn too hot that’s why cotton core works fantastic. Also I know it’s not recommended and something that has to be done. But let the candles made with this wax cure for a few days. Scent throw will knock your socks off. If you burn immediately it won’t be as good as it can be. Hope this helps. 

Hi @CandleCrafter6 are these the wicks that start with numbers like 36-24-24C? Do you have to under wick with this type? Thanks for sharing.

Sorry Laura, I thought you made the statement about the cotton core wicks.

Hi Laura, are these the wicks that start with numbers like 36-24-24C? Do you have to under wick with this type? Thanks for sharing.

Birdcharm, I agree with TallTayl, I've tried testing both ways and for me, in my mind process of elimination just works better for me.  All those factors you listed do play a part in the overall testing but if I can eliminate testing 6 wicks in 6 containers and narrow it down to testing maybe 2 then in my opinion, that's  more efficient use of my time, especially since I work full time as well.  

Pughaus, I only found HTP 73 so thanks for letting me know there's really no diff between the two. I'll keep in an eco for comparison purposes. I have one blend with 20% additional soy and one blend with 40% additional soy. I'll commence testing around Thursday doing a initial pan test for both.

Thanks Arch Rock, I finally feel like my head is slowly coming out of the dark hole of testing😂. I truly appreciate this group and all the support.

Thanks Pughaus, I do believe I have some at home.  I will check today.  If so I may switch out my ecos for the 72 and 73. 

No, because this mix included that pillar bliss which you noted shrinks, I decided to not test a third time.  I remelted, added some fragrance and made wax melts.

I did pour 2 new blends of Coco83 and soy wax.  I will plan to test those at least 3 times with the CDN and ECO wicks.  I'm also introducing CW20-30 & Premier 745.  I'm glad I have something to go on to help guide me for the future testing.  I've been at this for almost a year (off and on) and I'm ready to start making some good quality candles.

Yes, most definitely the most efficient and effective way of testing.  Thanks for all your support and advice. 🙂

I didnt notice that but you're right they do all look proportional. Only sooting was the Wood Wick along with some discoloration.