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On 2/8/2018 at 7:08 AM, dlourence said:

HI EVERYONE, IM NEW TO CANDLING SO FAR SO GOOD. IM HAVING A HARD TIME WITH MY SCENT THROW. I REALLY HAVEN'T FOUND THE SCENT CO. IM THRILLED WITH YET. I FEEL LIKE SOME OF MY SCENT FALLS TO THE BOTTOM WITH WEAK THROW. IT DOES  SOMETIMES GET STRONGER TOWARDS THE BOTTOM . I USE COCONUT WAX.  I PRETTY MUCH HEAT THE WAX TO 185 ADD SCENT COOL TO ABOUT 165  THEN POUR. I'VE HEARD THE WAX NEEDS TO BIND NOT SURE HOW TO DO THAT WITH COCONUT WAX. ALSO THE AMOUNT OF SCENT. I READ COCONUT WAX CAN HANDLE MORE F.O. SO  THIS LAST CANDLE I MADE I ADDED 2OZ OF F.O. I WAS SO EXCITED I LET IT CURE FOR 2 DAYS  LIT IT AND ALMOST NO SCENT BOO HOO. IM USEING " SAVE ON SCENTS" F.O. 

HELP 

I know this post is old, but I have been using coconut wax since 2011.. what coconut wax are you using? Coconut waxes must be heated to at least 200.. you can go to 210.. add scent immediately, stir about 15sec and pour.. do not let it cool before pouring.

On 9/29/2019 at 2:42 PM, KrisS said:

Accu-Blend makes me crazy because of the changes they make.   Ages ago, they had an apricot wax that was truly to die for--amazingly high end.  They made changes, ruined it, and ultimately discontinued it.  I have a sick feeling they're ultimately going to ruin the Coconut 83 as well.

I LOVED Accu-Blend's Apricot Wax!  I called them to get more ( when I could order 1 case at a time from them ) this wax back in early 2018 I think,... they discontinued it because the apricot  wax going rancid too quickly and causing a great deal of money lost to those huge companies that had candles made from it.. bummer, ... the coconut 83 has changed so much, it used to be so much like the apricot wax.. I really don't like this "new"version.. the Hot throw is basically non existent, adding beeswax to it makes it too viscous to wick correctly, and it doesn't wick like the old version at all.. NOT HAPPY

This NEW Coconut 83 is a beast to wick! This is definitely NOT THE SAME 83 that was available 4-5 years ago.. It really seems to me that it has beeswax or a beeswax-like wax added to it.. and it's taking bigger wick sizes than it used to.. Any help  or thoughts are welcome

Has anyone else noticed the change in Coconut 83? It's definitely NOT the same wax I used 2 years ago

On 9/24/2017 at 11:37 AM, ShineOn said:

Has anyone had any luck wicking coconut wax? I am using coconut wax 83 from Calcandlesupply and I am having a hard time finding proper wicks. I've tested different FO's, different jar sizes. So far very FO and jar combinations  work well, the majority of them give me a tall smoking flame. Sometimes the first burn will be fine but the second burn will give me a tall flame even after trimming the wick or vice versa. I've tried eco, CD, LX, HTP and nothing. 

I've been using Coconut wax for years... you need to use SMALL WICKS.. if you are getting a tall, smoking flame and poor melt pool it's because the wick is way too big... coconut wax and coconut blends are nothing like soy wax and should not be treated as such

On 5/13/2014 at 10:32 AM, TallTayl said:

Has anyone ever tried sunflower wax in candles? Even in a blend?

 

I am sitting here looking at 25 kilos of it and am about to see what happens... It has a pretty high MP(74-77C), much higher than even Beeswax which I usually use, so thinking a blend is in my future.

 

 

 

hey there, did you ever try the sunflower wax?  I'm thinking of ordering some from Natures Garden and using it in coconut wax.

On 9/18/2018 at 10:24 AM, TallTayl said:

Not necessarily. Adding coconut creates a whole new set of problems, like soot and rapid melt of the container. If you are patient and methodical in testing you may be able to overcome those, and other changes that pop up.

I've never had soot with coconut wax

On 11/24/2018 at 10:03 AM, pughaus said:

My usual coconut wax has been out of stock so I ordered Lab & Co's fancy "Virgin Coconut Creme" described as a blend of coconut and soy.  

It's very pretty, soft, pure white and odorless in packaging befitting a wax one might buy from Neiman Marcus with the price go with it.  With freight, it cost me $5.40 lb.

Poured at 170 degrees into a 9 oz straight jar yesterday-  my tester has perfect adhesion, no sinkholes, a smooth flat top and excellent cold throw.  So far, it is exactly as described on the Lab & Co. site. 

Has anyone else given this stuff a try?

 

just an FYI.... this wax contains FOOD GRADE PARAFFIN... not much, but it is in there. I contacted the company yesterday and asked

just an FYI- Both waxes sold by The Lab and Co ( Wooden Wick Co)  contain a small amount of FOOD GRADE PARAFFIN.  I contacted them yesterday because of the concern  of members in candle groups on FB.... Food grade paraffin is considered and all natural product and because the wax formula is proprietary, they don't have to list it

Yes, Jeana you are correct.. I contacted them again to make sure and both of their waxes contain paraffin.

On 1/11/2019 at 10:52 PM, Jeana said:

Unfortunately whoever you spoke with is not being honest with you. I spoke with customer service there and I was told there is paraffin in it. I stated that other's were told it didn't have paraffin. She said she didn't know why anyone would say that. She said it has food grade paraffin in it. 

the coconut/apricot blend has paraffin in it, the virgin coconut creme does not.. this is what I was told

On 1/12/2019 at 11:12 AM, Laura C said:

 

Oh man, I can't believe that about the Coco 83. Well, it does have some issues so maybe it will be better on the next release. This will at least be the 3rd version of it when it does come out. The 1st version being the one I started with about 3 -3.5 yrs ago and that one was awesome. I so hope they bring that version back. This 2nd version we have been dealing with has been hit or miss for me with several issues. 

 

I have been testing the Ultra Wax Coconut Blend from General Wax and I really like it except it is a very soft wax. All my container candles have been too soft, specifically for Florida weather and hot weather shipping. I'm playing around with additives and now that I have some pillar and tart waxes I'll mix with those too to see what happens.

just an FYI: the Ultra Wax Coconut Blend contains paraffin... I discovered this wax last year and called about it.. I wanted to know if it contained paraffin and it does.. also.. ACCUBLEND CO is moving into a larger production facility because demand for their waxes has become outrageous.. the latest version of the COCONUT 83 is mostly coconut with small amounts of apricot, soy and palm waxes added. I got this info straight from the head honcho there.

On 10/31/2017 at 4:44 PM, Kerven said:

Short version:

Cal Candle Supply - coco83.
Candlewic - coconut/apricot blend (with paraffin), coconut oil wax blend (no paraffin/petrolatum).
Candles and Supplies - suspected to be coco83 blended with a hardener.
Northwoods - I'm convinced it's coco83 blended with soy and palm.
Swans Candles - mystery coconut blend, coconut/paraffin blend, and coconut/apricot blend (with paraffin).
Aztec - ??IGI 6570?? Not enough information.
CandlemakingSupplies.net - ??Ultra Wax?? Not enough information.

 

IGI 6570 is "vegetable based" and does not contain soy. That doesn't mean it is void of paraffin, petrolatum, and such. Until more information is released, it's a big ?.

 

Long version:

Cal Candle Supply:
Coco83 sold as coco83.

 

Candlewic:
Coconut/apricot (contains a "very small percentage" of paraffin - the Q&A section). The SDS sheet for the coconut/apricot blend also lists "paraffin fume" as a hazardous product of decomposition, which supports it containing paraffin. Their other coconut wax, sold as "coconut oil wax blend" appears to be an actual coconut oil blend. The SDS lists palm wax, coconut oil, and stearic acid as the ingredients and there is no mention of paraffin or the like. It's quite pricey.

 

Candles and Supplies:
Item #'s of "WAX-COCO83-LB" and "WAX-COCO83-CASE" would seem to indicate that it has something to do with coco83. However, it is sold in "soft beads" form, which coco83 would seem to be too soft and delicate to hold without the beads squishing together (based on my experience with coco83). The new pelleted coconut wax may be the same blend as their slab coconut wax only in a user-friendly form. Both are listed as coconut/soy blends.

 

Northwoods:
They claim it is "90% coconut wax blended with palm and soy waxes". 126F melt point. Sold in chunk or slab form. Contains palm wax.
Alright, so after finding their coconut wax on Amazon, it states: Blended with 5% Soy & 5% Palm Wax. I guess we solved that 10%. If that's absolutely accurate and not misleading, it's 90% coconut, 5% soy, and 5% palm. The big question is this: is that 90% a coconut oil or a pre-blended coconut wax from a manufacturer (read: coco83)? I'm thinking it's coco83, because if the soy and palm had melt points of 200F it would barely make the total melt point >100F with 90% co92. 90% 126F coco83, 5% 125F soy, and 5% 140F palm would reach a ~126F melt point. Until they state that it doesn't contain coco83 or paraffin/petrolatum, I'm convinced it's coco83 blended with soy and palm.

 

Swans Candles:
They offer an "all natural coconut container wax", which they suggest adding 15% palm stearic to as a hardener. No melt point is given. They also sell Calwax CCP1, a coconut/paraffin blend container wax, and an apricot/coconut container blend, which they do state as containing paraffin. Their lotion wax blend also contains coconut oil.

 

Aztec:
The apparently exclusive supplier of IGI 6570. Haven't been able to find anything about 6570. IGI is stingy with their documentation. Although it has no soy, that doesn't rule out the addition of petroleum products, which there has been no mention of in the product description.

 

CandlemakingSupplies.net:
Ultra Wax soy/coconut blend. 128F melt point. No idea what it could be made from.

The C&S Easy Beads Coconut wax IS Accu-blends COCONUT 83 available at California Candle Supply... This wax DOES NOT contain paraffin.. I've been using it for years and I called accublend ( I use to buy directly from them) to find out what is in it..and YES, it does come in bead form as many times that is what they sent me... it isn't really beads, just small chunks of wax... It is predominately coconut wax, then apricot, soy and palm waxes. Northwoods  coconut wax is also COCONUT 83

On 10/31/2017 at 4:44 PM, Kerven said:

Short version:

Cal Candle Supply - coco83.
Candlewic - coconut/apricot blend (with paraffin), coconut oil wax blend (no paraffin/petrolatum).
Candles and Supplies - suspected to be coco83 blended with a hardener.
Northwoods - I'm convinced it's coco83 blended with soy and palm.
Swans Candles - mystery coconut blend, coconut/paraffin blend, and coconut/apricot blend (with paraffin).
Aztec - ??IGI 6570?? Not enough information.
CandlemakingSupplies.net - ??Ultra Wax?? Not enough information.

 

IGI 6570 is "vegetable based" and does not contain soy. That doesn't mean it is void of paraffin, petrolatum, and such. Until more information is released, it's a big ?.

 

Long version:

Cal Candle Supply:
Coco83 sold as coco83.

 

Candlewic:
Coconut/apricot (contains a "very small percentage" of paraffin - the Q&A section). The SDS sheet for the coconut/apricot blend also lists "paraffin fume" as a hazardous product of decomposition, which supports it containing paraffin. Their other coconut wax, sold as "coconut oil wax blend" appears to be an actual coconut oil blend. The SDS lists palm wax, coconut oil, and stearic acid as the ingredients and there is no mention of paraffin or the like. It's quite pricey.

 

Candles and Supplies:
Item #'s of "WAX-COCO83-LB" and "WAX-COCO83-CASE" would seem to indicate that it has something to do with coco83. However, it is sold in "soft beads" form, which coco83 would seem to be too soft and delicate to hold without the beads squishing together (based on my experience with coco83). The new pelleted coconut wax may be the same blend as their slab coconut wax only in a user-friendly form. Both are listed as coconut/soy blends.

 

Northwoods:
They claim it is "90% coconut wax blended with palm and soy waxes". 126F melt point. Sold in chunk or slab form. Contains palm wax.
Alright, so after finding their coconut wax on Amazon, it states: Blended with 5% Soy & 5% Palm Wax. I guess we solved that 10%. If that's absolutely accurate and not misleading, it's 90% coconut, 5% soy, and 5% palm. The big question is this: is that 90% a coconut oil or a pre-blended coconut wax from a manufacturer (read: coco83)? I'm thinking it's coco83, because if the soy and palm had melt points of 200F it would barely make the total melt point >100F with 90% co92. 90% 126F coco83, 5% 125F soy, and 5% 140F palm would reach a ~126F melt point. Until they state that it doesn't contain coco83 or paraffin/petrolatum, I'm convinced it's coco83 blended with soy and palm.

 

Swans Candles:
They offer an "all natural coconut container wax", which they suggest adding 15% palm stearic to as a hardener. No melt point is given. They also sell Calwax CCP1, a coconut/paraffin blend container wax, and an apricot/coconut container blend, which they do state as containing paraffin. Their lotion wax blend also contains coconut oil.

 

Aztec:
The apparently exclusive supplier of IGI 6570. Haven't been able to find anything about 6570. IGI is stingy with their documentation. Although it has no soy, that doesn't rule out the addition of petroleum products, which there has been no mention of in the product description.

 

CandlemakingSupplies.net:
Ultra Wax soy/coconut blend. 128F melt point. No idea what it could be made from.

T

On 12/26/2018 at 9:19 PM, JeremyM said:

I'm a little late to the conversation (haven't been on this forum in a while), but I do use the Virgin Coconut Creme wax. I used to use 100% soy wax (464) but became so aggravated with inconsistencies, sink holes, and all of the other problems that give soy a bad rap, so I decided to make a change. To clear up a few things, the wax only comes in the fancy bag if you order small amounts. Anything over 40 pounds or so, and you get a big box full of wax slabs. No fancy packaging. I do miss the soy flakes, but I NEVER have any problems making candles now. I also use their wood wicks, and my candles come out absolutely perfect every single time. Peace of mind alone is worth the extra money I pay. I also increased the price of my candles to compensate. 

 

Also, just to be clear, this is not 100% coconut wax. It's a coconut wax blend with mostly coconut wax but also some soy wax. The only thing I don't like is, unlike other suppliers, they won't give you an exact percentage. They will just say it's mostly coconut wax. I suspect it's more soy than most other suppliers because I tried another popular coconut wax, and my wood wicks burned with a large flame. When I reached out to them for support, they said wood wicks just don't go with coconut wax. Not sure how this blend is different, but my flame heights are perfect. 

 

For anyone who is tempted to test this wax with wood wicks, I use 9 oz amber straight sided jars. Most fragrances work great with a booster wick with a width of 3/8" and a thickness of .03". They also have a different coconut wax blend that contains apricot wax instead of soy wax. It's a tad more expensive, but I didn't like it as much. It was softer than this wax. Those candles mostly required a booster wick with a .02" thickness. 

Jeremy, how is the throw with the Virgin Coconut?

On 12/17/2018 at 4:01 PM, pughaus said:

If I'm not mistaken, someone on here spoke to an Accu-blend rep and was told that the C&S coco container blend is coco83.

the Candles and Supplies EASY BEADS COCONUT WAX is Coconut 83.. the coconut container wax is coco/soy/ beeswax.

On 12/17/2018 at 4:01 PM, pughaus said:

If I'm not mistaken, someone on here spoke to an Accu-blend rep and was told that the C&S coco container blend is coco83.

Candles and Supplies EASY BEADS COCONUT  is the 83  from Accublend ..  The coconut container wax contains soy, coconut and beeswax.

Has anyone tried the COCONUT CONTAINER BLEND ( coconut/soy/beeswax) from CANDLES AND SUPPLIES?

On 12/5/2018 at 4:15 PM, Trappeur said:

So you don't even let your candles cure???? So you make today and burn tomorrow?   Am I reading that correct?

 

Trappeur

 

 

yes you read that correctly.. I burn the next day to test for wick and they smell amazing .. of course the longer they sit, they get even stronger.. but that's the beauty of coconut wax.. it has a very minimal cure time

On 6/15/2018 at 10:01 AM, Linda P said:

Oh goody?!?

 

Good to know about c3 hardening over time. Northwood says their coconut wax can be burned with only 2-3 days cure time. Don't plan to try it that soon, just because I want to give them all at least a week before wick testing. I'll have to remember to take notes before I start wicking to see if any of them changed in appearance.

 

I kinda figured the C3 with USA needed experimentation with pouring temps and cooling. As do the C3 with coco 2 blends because of those circumference cracks. 

 

Question: At what temp do you add fragrance to c3? It has to be added early enough after reaching heating temp to give yourself time to thoroughly mix and then time to let the air bubbles rise before reaching your pour temp of 120-125. 

Just an FYI  Northwoods Coconut wax is COCONUT 83 from Accublend.. it can also be found at California Candle Supply.. this wax is a blend of coconut, apricot, soy, palm

5 hours ago, TallTayl said:

If it is just coconut 2 then the melt point of 112 will be a problem when the weather warms.  The description of c2 indicates it is for blending purposes, not a stand alone. 🤔

 

the product, honestly, looks like coconut oil 92 degree with a percent of USA. USA is just a soy monoglyceride emulsifier made by Cargill from what I can tell. 

According to Cargill, this can be used alone as a container wax.. I buy from Northstar, I love them and the fragrances are outstanding.. anyways.. I made a candle today with the coconut 2 and 5% soy modifier from american soy organics and did 10% fragrance.. Sugared Spruce from Northstar.. I made the candle early this morning about 10hrs ago.. the cold throw is outstanding .. can't wait to test for HT.. I will do that tomorrow

I'm wondering if this VIRGIN COCONUT CREME is really just Naturewax Coconut 2 which is pure coconut wax with 2% soy added. It looks exactly like PUGHAUS'S  picture of the VCC wax above... I have some so I'm going to whip up a candle and see what I think .. I think I'll order some of the VCC too and compare.. the Coconut 2 is much more affordable

The HT on the SC-21 is light , not a fan of this wax.. I can smell the paraffin in it

I've been using the Coco83 for years and got a sample of the SC-21 to try.. I have yet to burn the test candle I made 3 days ago, 10% fragrance , but so far the CT is almost non existent and I can really pick up the smell of the paraffin in it.. I will test burn it later today and see if there is a HT at all... so far it is nothing at all like the 83

Thank you  pughaus for this info. I wish they would just be forthcoming and honest with their descriptions. Glad to know it has paraffin in it.. Hybrid wax usually means it contains paraffin.