Donna I do belong to that board and it's a great resource but if someone (on any board) posts a review I think it should have some info . In other words if I were to give these two reviews which would you find most helpful? Mac Apple from zzz co. Great scent nice and strong. Mac Apple from ZZZ CO I used J223 , poured at 8% throw on a scale of 1-10 would be a 9.