latch Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 i am trying to substitute one oil for another because it is all i hvehere are the numbershardness 33 cleansing 21condition 62bubbly lather 21creamy lather 12iodine 80new to this and these numbers are driving me crazy btw this is a soap for teen skin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyMOM Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 what is your recipe? Your oils your using that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyMOM Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 so you need lower condition too if its teen skin , taking for granted that teen skin is normally oilier, so go alot with coconut oil, will harden and SUPPOSED to be drying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 I respectfully disagree friendlyMom. Stripping oily skin leads to overproduction of oils making the problem worse than what it was to begin with. Do need more info latch to be able to help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
friendlyMOM Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 oops sry then bad idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 sorry guys heres the oils olive oil 30% palm kernal 30% grapeseed 20% and flaxseed 10% the recipe called for rice bran but i dont have it, just wondering if i could use flaxseed instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Not experienced with the flaxseed at all latch.. Maybe some olive might make the numbers better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 should i just add a lil more olive?? i will go check it out on the calculator... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 I'm sorry, I totally skipped over where you already had olive in there.. But yes, I'd up the olive. Lower your grapeseed to under 10% to keep from getting a super soft bar. You have any lard or palm we could toss in the mix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 no neither, i plugged in the numbers and it didnt change the numbers much.. i ordered some palm,. may have to wait till it comes in to try this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Give me a bit and I'll research the flaxseed and hopefully help you develop a recipe you can make right away! What are all the oils you have on hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Ok. have learned that too much flax is soap doesn't make it better as it has an INS of negative 6 and is prone to rancidity. If it were me, I'd start here and reformulate as necessary. Your INS number is still lower that I normally use, but the rest of the numbers are good!Palm Kernal 30%Grapeseed 10%Flax 10%Olive 25%Palm (or Lard) 25%Plug those in and tell me what ya think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 what is INS again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 A well rounded bar is supped to be a 145-165. The numbers are derived from the sap's and iodine values. Just another general range to try and get the soap to! It's enough to drive ya crazy making all the numbers look good! But honestly, I'd soap it with these numbers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latch Posted May 15, 2006 Author Share Posted May 15, 2006 i will just have to wait till my palm comes in, or do they sell it locally? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 I've heard of some Indian stores or health food stores that carry it but I've had no luck with it. Maybe someone else will read up and show us both something totally different! Can't wait to read this thread in the morning! I'm off to bed, have a great night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crafty1_AJ Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 I agree with Bunnygirl, latch. I'd decrease the amount of soft (liquid) oils a bit and bump up the hard oils with some palm or lard. You only have 30% hard oils in there (the pko) and the rest soft (I'm assuming the missing 10% is the gso), so that might make your soap a bit on the soft side if you don't increase hard oils a bit. I like to shoot for 40%-60% hard oils. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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