CranberryGirl Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Ok..I had this idea of some very nice soap!!!! and I saw another recipe that I thought looked like it would work with what I wanted...One of the other girls posted it with Cocobutter...soo I did the calcs..ran thru soods..Looked great!errrrrrrrrrrr...I did Like a tiny water discount!!!!!!!here is what i did!!!Mango Soap!!3/13/0627% coconut24 % Mango butter49% OO4.5lb. Batchwater 21oz.lye 10.1oz.coconut.19.4ozMango 17.3OO 35.3scent 4.0oz.Now before I even added the scent it traced wicked fast..I tried to color it..it did not pick up any color!!!! I added the frag..i blended it well..atleast I hope I did! it was sooo hard that the stick would not work!!! so I was handmixing!!!! It went tooooo far!!! And I don't understand why....the only thing I can think of is I did to warm....both over a bit of 100I am soo Mad now! Lost alot of mango butter...and sweet pea scent..ahhh..if i have to rebatch..I am not gonna be happy!!!! Anyone have any ideas what i did wrong???? why would it not take color?sooo fustrated tonight!!!!!Thanks for letting me vent and any thoughts would be great!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenda Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Sorry about your bad experience with your mango soap. :embarasse It might have been the temp or the water discount for the acceleration. I've got insomnia tonight so I'm up early and ran your numbers through SoapMaker. The lye numbers it came up with (with a 6% lye discount) were 9.99 oz. and the water was 24.77 (with no discount). That's over a 3 oz. difference in the water, so perhaps it was the water discount that was the culprit. In my cocoa butter soap (don't know if this is the recipe you meant in your post) I used full water, a small amount of EO instead of FO, and no color.I don't understand why it wouldn't take color...that's a mystery. :undecided Wait and see what it looks like tomorrow. It is absolutely no fun to lose expensive ingredients. I hope you don't have to rebatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 thanks Miss Brenda!!!I am guessing it was because of my water discount!!!!! Yup Your recipe...thought I could make with Mango butter!!! just peeked...still very warm...it did Gel..is very firm...but warm...gonna check on it again later... the color did not take at all..looks gray..:undecided I don't know how to rebatch..I have a feeling it is gonna get alot of air pockets..that is how thick it was....gonna go start reading about rebatching!!!LOL....I thought I was gonna make something cool..:embarasse something my skin would love!! HA! back to the drawing board!!!!Thanks for getting back to me!!Sleep well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Florals have a tendency of tracing fast. Best to add the FO and color before you add the lye water. Zap with a SB then do most of it by hand stirring. Also, soap it as cool as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eugenia Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 With all that butter in there, you might have had better success stirring by hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Thanks guys..I am patiently waiting to unmold! still to warm!! I am soo Impatient!!!Thanks for the advice!!I will do it a bit different next time....adding fo to water before adding the lye will not mess up the soap? I would expect it to explode!!! If I have to rebatch this...should I add milk? I have a feeling it is gonna be dry....tia! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 add the fo to the oils before the lye. I do it all the time:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 Ok..I have tooo rebatch.....just pulled from the mold!!!! And Holy Ugly!!!!!!!!!!! And it has oil spots!!!!!!!! where the fo must not have blended!!!! and it is Grey instead of green!!!!! off to read about rebatching!!! Can't loose this batch..it is alll butter!!!thanks for all the help!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Whether it is still one piece or in slices you could always put it back into the mold and wait it out.That oil MAY reabsorb back in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 nope I cut down the middle and took a slice from the middle and from the end...I could put back together...But It is wayy to Yucky..I don't even wanna use it...and I know it is the fo...causwe it had already started seizing and turning into a rock before i added the fo....Thanks for the suggestion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebecca_IA Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 My advice would me #1 whenever you are using a new FO in soap, try it out on a smaller batch of oils/butters so if it bombs, your rebatch isn't that big or if it's a complete loss, your loss isn't that big. #2 with the trickier FO's, soap cooler, but not so cool that you will get a false trace (esp when new because you'll have difficulty knowing it was false trace). AND do not discount the water on tricker FO's. they will need more cure time, but the extra water makes them more workable. #3 either use tried and true soap colorants or do small test batches with those too. I think it traced so fast from a combinations of the hard butters you used and the FO. If you have a soap recipe that traces fast, it's better to not use fast tracing FO's IMO. The good thing about these experiences are you learn so much more by it actually happening than you do just reading about it, so there is a positive side to this also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Not wanting to hijack, but what is a false trace? This is the first I've seen that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Not wanting to hijack, but what is a false trace? This is the first I've seen that.If you are soaping at low temps,the oils will thicken the instant the lye hit's it, looking like a medium-heavy trace. At this point you might panic and want to throw it in the mold, but in a few seconds it will start to heat up and thin out.I use RT oils and a 40% lye solution, I see false trace every time:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scented Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 TY Gene! Boy if you ever have a visual of it and the ability to snap a photo would you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 I rebatched......Not crazy about the looks but! everything got mixed in!!! Thanks for the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
singleyellowrose Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Where's the pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CranberryGirl Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 i'll post tonight after work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.