Poling interest in a customer BBB of sorts.

[ChandlerWicks]

I think you should post on FB the persons name & let everyone know what a fricking weirdo/sicko they are.

[Babyv]

Sorry to hear you are going through this. I have a 10 yr old and I can feel your anger. I think calling the police was the right thing to do and I hope they take care of this for you.

[moonshine]

I am so lost about the groups and such but I want to know who (names) of the people on here that are responsible for this- that is complete bullshit and I wouldn't wait for them to sue you- go after THEIR ass for contacting your son and tear it apart! There is no excuse for that kind of behavior ....these people need to be destroyed

I am so sorry your going thru this and I am happy to to do anything I can to help - I wouldn't want to come across any of these people - EVER

[leisa2003]

Well its no-one on this board that I know of, if they are on this board they of course are not under their real name, but I do have their real name from their correspondances to me and my son. They (a few) are buyers in the wax community on Facebook. But there is someone, we are not sure who, that is on this board running back to this group of women and sharing everything that gets posted to this thread. Supposively they are taking pictures with their cell phones of this thread and sending to the wax review group that likes to "bash" whatever vendor they are currently not happy with for some little reason or another, or they are sharing the link to this thread in their facebook group to find out whats being said.

Edited January 3, 2013 by leisa2003

[Beth]

Well its no-one on this board that I know of, if they are on this board they of course are not under their real name, but I do have their real name from their correspondances to me and my son. They (a few) are buyers in the wax community on Facebook. But there is someone, we are not sure who, that is on this board running back to this group of women and sharing everything that gets posted to this thread. Supposively they are taking pictures with their cell phones of this thread and sending to the wax review group that likes to "bash" whatever vendor they are currently not happy with for some little reason or another, or they are sharing the link to this thread in their facebook group to find out whats being said.

At least y'all aren't complaining in a "closed group"... what are they afraid of that we all can't go read their threads?

[Mala]

That's crazy about someone contacting your son through FB over a transaction with you, pure madness!!! Glad you got the authorities involved, hope they can help you do something about that.

Was it more than one person who did this???

Just trying to figure out the association of what happened to you with all the people listed in the review group. I can understand you being mad about a crazy customer but why aren't you naming the person who went over the line with your son instead of posting all the names in this group?

I've learned long ago to take online reviews with a grain of salt. If you let things like that get under your skin it will drive you batty!

[leisa2003]

Just trying to figure out the association of what happened to you with all the people listed in the review group. I can understand you being mad about a crazy customer but why aren't you naming the person who went over the line with your son instead of posting all the names in this group?

Well there was two of them involved in ordering within a weeks time (during Thanksgiving holiday), I had RTS items that they didn't get within 4 or 5 days, so then they filed a paypal dispute wanting a refund while their package was in transit. This group just "follows along" in trashing me in all the other wax groups and vendors groups on Facebook. Missywick originally posted the list of women because they haven't just trashed me, they have dont it to others (we've seen that thread but it was deleted). The other vendors know this is going on and several have even appologized to me that these women have done what they have done and they too have also shared some of their stories about how some of these women have done nasty things to them as well but they just let it go and move-on. A few of the ladies in that group are known on this board by other members here for scamming, only it may have been on the old board. I don't want to share the couple names involved because there is no telling what kind of people they really are and I have to try to keep things "calm". I believe Missywick has offered to add it to the blog she posted earlier but I have been advised to not try to provoke any of them for my son's safety because they do have my home address and where he attends school. I think their bark is bigger than their bite and they just want to be bullies and have drama to talk about with their buddies in the facebook wax review groups.

Edited January 3, 2013 by leisa2003

[leisa2003]

Just wanted to mention that although my business dealings were with two individual women, the reason the group is being listed by missywick is because a few of those names have hit other vendors in the past (just like in the thread that was deleted in regards to VDC), and also because of a few others from that group who have never had a business transaction with me that have also contacted and me and my son. The other women (not all) just "joined-in" with bashing and the messages to me and my son. After those women started al this craziness,... Missywick (not using her real name), they now are sending her facebook messages with threats and that is what got me so upset yesterday. She has been a good "friend" while all the other vendors know the wrath of this group, they just lay low and "out of sight", some have unfriended me so the ladies in this group don't show their "association to me",..but I don't care, I am not going to let them bother me anylonger, I have new "avenues" to pursue with my business locally and I believe those women will reap what they sow and what they have done will reward me in the end.

Edited January 3, 2013 by leisa2003

[Mala]

Just wanted to mention that although my business dealings were with two individual women, the reason the group is being listed by missywick is because a few of those names have hit other vendors in the past (just like in the thread that was deleted in regards to VDC), and also because of a few others from that group who have never had a business transaction with me that have also contacted and me and my son. The other women (not all) just "joined-in" with bashing and the messages to me and my son. After those women started al this craziness,... Missywick (not using her real name), they now are sending her facebook messages with threats and that is what got me so upset yesterday. She has been a good "friend" while all the other vendors know the wrath of this group, they just lay low and "out of sight", some have unfriended me so the ladies in this group don't show their "association to me",..but I don't care, I am not going to let them bother me anylonger, I have new "avenues" to pursue with my business locally and I believe those women will reap what they sow and what they have done will reward me in the end.

I'm just trying to understand the motivation behind posting all the members of the group on that blacklist. You say that not all of them are involved but yet they are included on the list just the same.

Why not just post the names of the offenders and what they've done as they love to do with their reviews. I would certainly start with the one who threatened your son. That would make much more sense, no?

[leisa2003]

I'm just trying to understand the motivation behind posting all the members of the group on that blacklist. You say that not all of them are involved but yet they are included on the list just the same.

Why not just post the names of the offenders and what they've done as they love to do with their reviews. I would certainly start with the one who threatened your son. That would make much more sense, no?

Mala,.... No that would not make sense because it seems with being a newbie with 6 posts, you are PROBABLY in their group coming to this board wanting me to share more information to your friends. My local police have the information you are SO SEEKING to know, maybe your "friends" can find that phone number since your "friends" know the town in which I reside. DO YOU THINK I AM DUMB! GO AWAY!!!

Edited January 3, 2013 by leisa2003

[leisa2003]

Mala, I am not responsible for posting any names of that group anywhere. If you have followed along and paid close attention, you would know missywick created the blog, it has her name on it as the "owner". I have no access to that blog to add or delete any names. I shared my experience that I have had with a few of those names is all. And the names in that group and on that list is kinda like.. "you're known by the company you keep".

ETA: I think this is a good one for that group: "No matter how wise you are, foolish friends will bring you trouble. But also, no matter how foolish you are, wise friends will teach you wisdom. What a simple rule for wisdom and life! Reject fools and choose wise men as your friends, and you will grow in wisdom and avoid much trouble in life."

Edited January 3, 2013 by leisa2003

[Mala]

Mala,.... No that would not make sense because it seems with being a newbie with 6 posts, you are PROBABLY in their group coming to this board wanting me to share more information to your friends. My local police have the information you are SO SEEKING to know, maybe your "friends" can find that phone number since your "friends" know the town in which I reside. DO YOU THINK I AM DUMB! GO AWAY!!!

Whoa!!!

I would like to point out Missy has very few posts as well. Post count means nothing at all.

I'm sorry if I confused you with Missy in terms of who started it. You talked about it a lot more than she did and in more detail so I thought you posted. My bad.

Please do not assume who my friends are, I am not here on anyone's behalf but my own. I have done nothing here except ask a couple questions and I am not seeking any information in particular.

[Mala]

Mala, I am not responsible for posting any names of that group anywhere. If you have followed along and paid close attention, you would know missywick created the blog, it has her name on it as the "owner". I have no access to that blog to add or delete any names. I shared my experience that I have had with a few of those names is all. And the names in that group and on that list is kinda like.. "you're known by the company you keep".

ETA: I think this is a good one for that group: "No matter how wise you are, foolish friends will bring you trouble. But also, no matter how foolish you are, wise friends will teach you wisdom. What a simple rule for wisdom and life! Reject fools and choose wise men as your friends, and you will grow in wisdom and avoid much trouble in life."

Obviously I didn't pay close attention to who is posting what. You just talk about it more and in more detail. I won't say another word about all this, I was just a bit curious about this thread and others about this topic.

[ChandlerWicks]

I think she's just upset Mala, I would be suspicious/paranoid too after my child being attacked. It's absolutely sickening & the person who did it should be written about everywhere.

Your suggestion is a good idea to list the names of those responsible for this behavior.

[Mala]

I think she's just upset Mala, I would be suspicious/paranoid too after my child being attacked. It's absolutely sickening & the person who did it should be written about everywhere.

Your suggestion is a good idea to list the names of those responsible for this behavior.

I would be livid if someone tried to contact one of my kids like she has experienced! I wouldn't be shy about exposing such a moron either, but that's me.

[leisa2003]

I would be livid if someone tried to contact one of my kids like she has experienced! I wouldn't be shy about exposing such a moron either, but that's me.

Well I am sure all of us parents think like that and I understand why you would want to know and why you would put them out there everywhere, but when I am advised by the police on how to handle this situation and knowing they see many many cases like this and how they sometimes turn out, I think I would rather follow the policeman's advice rather than share these couple names on the internet to a world of people I don't know. If you are not in their group, then my appology to you (I am sorry), and I hope you understand that I have to also be careful. Things are being watched and IP addresses are known.

ETA: When messages to a 10 yr. old on Facebook by adults telling that child they know where he resides and where he attends school, the police do not take that lightly, trust me.

Edited January 4, 2013 by leisa2003

[leisa2003]

You know, I will share with everyone alittle something the police officer shared with me because this is really scary and people should know this stuff. He told me that SOMETIMES a lunitic (kidnapper, child-molester) will join groups like this and become "apart" of that group and the group will think this person is simply "one of them", in this case, it could be a lunitic in a woman's world of candles/tarts,. to seek what he/she/they are looking for. But he also told me that MOST of the time, its just women who are upset over their order and their bark is bigger than their bite and so their friends jump aboard (who didnt order from me). Anyhow, things do have to be watched and things have to be "recorded" just to assure that its not some lunitic after a child. I can tell you that the 2 facebook "profiles" that contacted my son were not the buyers that filed paypal claims, but their names are on that list in that group. I didn't create that list as it was just copied & pasted from the PUBLIC group's page.

ETA: But in a sense I have to hold the two who did buy from me accountable for something because they posted and shared my home address,. that was not cool on their behalf to share my info to a group because they weren't happy with their order.

Edited January 4, 2013 by leisa2003

[simply fragrant]

He told me that SOMETIMES a lunitic (kidnapper, child-molester) will join groups like this and become "apart" of that group and the group will think this person is simply "one of them", in this case, it could be a lunitic in a woman's world of candles/tarts,. to seek what he/she/they are looking for.

OMG!!! This IS scary stuff!!

[jeanie353]

Why not just post the names of the offenders and what they've done as they love to do with their reviews. I would certainly start with the one who threatened your son. That would make much more sense, no?

This is my opinion only......Forget posting their names. Posting names is what got this to this point for the most part or kinda/sorta.

Someone just threatened a little boy. I'm not a cop caller normally but if someone threatens my minor kid their is going to be retalliation and its not going to be a on a name list. I hope the cops do their job and I hope the FBI can come in on this one since its internet and a minor. Let them follow the IP addresses, go confiscate their computers and I hope a whole lot more. That is what will shut these ppl up.....IMO.

ETA: Freaking losers. Mess with an innocent kid thinking they are all funny. I hope you all pay and pay dearly.

Edited January 4, 2013 by jeanie353

[ChandlerWicks]

Maybe the cops are different in other's towns, but where I lived this would be pushed to the side & nothing done. Hopefully they will put a stop to such sick people.

[jeanie353]

Maybe the cops are different in other's towns, but where I lived this would be pushed to the side & nothing done. Hopefully they will put a stop to such sick people.

That's very possible. I just thought of our big city of Milwaukee where there is higher crime than in the burbs and I honestly do not know if they take this stuff as seriously as they do out here or not.

I'm just so furious this was done to a kid I think they should be punished to the fullest extent that will have the most impact.

[missywick]

It's appalling that one of them went after Lei's child. Those women plastered her private information on their group page for that entire member list to see. They terrified her son to the point he was scared to go to school. Now they're making videos that they're appalled someone would name names. No remorse from them at all.

I guess nothing is sacred or safe. They can attack you, your business and YOUR KIDS because you sell tarts? They made themselves public with commercial type videos and facebook groups. They give reviews in exchange for wax as payment. They are a barter business. I'm glad I posted the blog. I'd do it again.

It got 3,512 views. : )

[Beth]

It's appalling that one of them went after Lei's child. Those women plastered her private information on their group page for that entire member list to see. They terrified her son to the point he was scared to go to school. Now they're making videos that they're appalled someone would name names. No remorse from them at all.

I guess nothing is sacred or safe. They can attack you, your business and YOUR KIDS because you sell tarts? They made themselves public with commercial type videos and facebook groups. They give reviews in exchange for wax as payment. They are a barter business. I'm glad I posted the blog. I'd do it again.

It got 3,512 views. : )

Where are these videos? Youtube?

[Beth]

OK, found a reviewer who made reference to some "drama", lol. That would be an understatement.

There were people commenting about being on the "blackball list" that aren't even on it! Maybe there's more than one list, lol or fake names are being used

Also saw complaints about addresses on the list; I saw no addresses. ??

Such drama!

Edited January 5, 2013 by Beth

[Mala]

It's appalling that one of them went after Lei's child. Those women plastered her private information on their group page for that entire member list to see. They terrified her son to the point he was scared to go to school. Now they're making videos that they're appalled someone would name names. No remorse from them at all.

I guess nothing is sacred or safe. They can attack you, your business and YOUR KIDS because you sell tarts? They made themselves public with commercial type videos and facebook groups. They give reviews in exchange for wax as payment. They are a barter business. I'm glad I posted the blog. I'd do it again.

It got 3,512 views. : )

So the point of posting the blog WAS to expose those who threatened Lei's son, I did not realize so many were involved on that or behind it in some way... Very scary indeed.

You are brave to risk doing this, I'll give you props for that no doubt. I wouldn't risk being found out myself, if they've already gone this far attacking a child I don't even want to think of what else they could do...