BPP Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) With igi 4630 wax in 6oz. tin with 2.8 inches wide.No dye/FO with 44-32-18z.Starting from left with pics.1st pic 1st 2 hrs 50 min Burn.2nd pic 2nd 2 hrs 50 min Burn.3rd pic 3rd 2 hrs 50 min Burn.4th pic bottom row 4th 2 hrs 50 min Burn.It's half way down the tin.I think I need to wick up. Edited October 29, 2012 by BPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 How wide is that tin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 How wide is that tin?2.8 inches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 It's hard to tell from the pics but it looks like it's not cleaning up the sides at all, even at halfway down. I would complete the test with the 44s to be sure it doesn't catch up - but so long as it didn't make the sides too hot I would probably go to a 51. You may want to consider what FO you are using too - if it's a 'tougher' fo it may just be that that requires the wicking up, as in, possibly not all fo's would require a 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 ok I will test more. It doesn't have FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Then I'd def try a 51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 Then I'd def try a 51Ok I'm going to start testing with 51. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 If you wanted to try HTP wicks then I would suggest HTP 62 or HTP 83. Knowing that tins get hot, I'd start with the HTP 62. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se2653 Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 I typically have used 51z in 6 oz tins with the 4630 and 4633 with good results (that's with fo and dye though)- maybe first see if the sides catch up by the end first with the 44's -good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted November 1, 2012 Author Share Posted November 1, 2012 (edited) 4630 wax in 6oz. tin with 2.8 inches wide.No dye/FO with 51-32-18z.Starting from left with pics.1st pic 1st 2 hrs 50 min Burn.2nd pic 2nd 2 hrs 50 min Burn.3rd pic 3rd 2 hrs 50 min Burn.4th pic bottom row left 4th 2 hrs 50 min Burn.5th pic bottom row right 5th 2 hrs 50 min Burn.Still did not catch up to the sides!I think I will try HTP 62 next. Edited November 1, 2012 by BPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 (edited) No Dye/Fo.I've tried all Zinc, HTP and Eco wicks in the range size for this tin size....and nothing worked.Another thing is the wax is not cooling correctly...I poured at 160 degrees. It has sunken down around the wick and going up towards the edges.The tops are not even across and as it burns down you can see cracks in the wax (see pic above).Can that cause wick burning problems? Maybe that's why none of the wicks are working?And then finally I was wondering if this even igi 4630 wax....because of all these problems. Edited November 12, 2012 by BPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I use 4630 all the time and don't see any of the above problems. I pour at 175 and find that HTP wicks work very well. Have never seen a crack, tops are butter smooth, and there is very little shrinkage. I'd get another sample of 4630 and see if you get the same results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricofAZ Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 I'm a huge fan of ECO wicks and used them in the Harmony and the J waxes. The cotton cores work better for me in the pillars. That's about it. One of the things I've tried to do was wick so that if the candle was blown out (instead of wick drowning), the smoke would be minimal and the ECO's do that for me. I don't know if I'm using wicks that get the max HT, but not having excessive smoke is a plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted November 19, 2012 Author Share Posted November 19, 2012 I use 4630 all the time and don't see any of the above problems. I pour at 175 and find that HTP wicks work very well. Have never seen a crack, tops are butter smooth, and there is very little shrinkage. I'd get another sample of 4630 and see if you get the same results.I contacted the seller and they said they pour from the same boxes of wax that they sell to customers and they haven't had any problems with 4630.Then they asked me at what temp im melting/pouring wax at and other stuff. So I told them and I haven't heard back from them, its been 6 days.So I will not buy from them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted December 1, 2012 Author Share Posted December 1, 2012 Tin 2.8 inch diameter.No Dye/Fo.After I get the correct wick size...I want to add Dye.Do I need to test again for the correct wick with Dye? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksranch Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) Yes. Dye can change it - too much/dark colors especially can clog or "slow down" the wick. You are probably close.. but test test test just to be sure. jmho Edited December 2, 2012 by ksranch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane42 Posted December 4, 2012 Share Posted December 4, 2012 We have always used LX wicks with 4630 and they have worked well. Unfortunately, I cannot remember what size...LX10 maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted December 5, 2012 Author Share Posted December 5, 2012 (edited) Yes. Dye can change it - too much/dark colors especially can clog or "slow down" the wick. You are probably close.. but test test test just to be sure. jmhoOk now I have the correct wick size 44-32z for 6 oz tin 3.8 inch diameter with no dye/fo.Now I have started testing with Dye. Edited December 5, 2012 by BPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flicker Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 A few observations:First, do you plan to sell them with no dye and color? If no, then don't waste your time testing that way. In that diameter container with 4630 a 51-32-18z will work well. The thing you want to do though is actually burn 4 hours a burn cycle. Use a timer! This is recommended and the length of time a candle should be burned. It should be reasonably close after the first 4 hour burn but may take 2-3 cycles to fully melt all the way across leaving no hang up.Second. Don't go by charts. Most are not based on your wax. Most wick charts are based on a straight paraffin wax with no additives. You're not using that and it won't be accurate. They are just a starting point. If you're not burning right after following the info above, then wick up. I only make one container and pull wicks and use a heat gun to correct as I test. For that diameter the following wicks are all in the same size range and should all work or be pretty close in that jar/wax:51-32-18zCD 12HTP 93LX 2051-32-18P51-32-18CEco 8Just remember, 4 hours. That is what is recommended. I would also test based on how you plan to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted December 8, 2012 Author Share Posted December 8, 2012 I use 4630 all the time and don't see any of the above problems. I pour at 175 and find that HTP wicks work very well. Have never seen a crack, tops are butter smooth, and there is very little shrinkage. I'd get another sample of 4630 and see if you get the same results.I poured at 175, 160 and 150 and having the same results of getting shrinkage. And I have bought 4630 from 2 different suppliers.So I was thinking I have been pouring just 3.5 oz for my test candle and maybe it is cooling to fast! What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjdaines Posted December 9, 2012 Share Posted December 9, 2012 3.5 oz is not a lot of wax and will cool faster that a larger amount. With soy wax, some people have luck pouring at a slushy stage, I have not tried this with 4630 but it might be worth a test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPP Posted December 13, 2012 Author Share Posted December 13, 2012 (edited) Ok now I have the correct wick size 44-32z for 6 oz tin 3.8 inch diameter with no dye/fo.Now I have started testing with Dye.I used brown dye chip with 44-32z.It was the correct wick size. Edited December 13, 2012 by BPP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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