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I just get so depressed going to ww...

And speaking of 80s, the students nowadays listen to classic rock etc, whoch is ironic if you think. I onceI made a passing reference to seeing Freddie Mercury's radio ga ga tour and their eyes lit up like saucers...granted it was my first concert. But there is nothing like high school students to make you feel old...(i am a hs teacher - so fossil status is routine).

I love cs. There are many I have not tried and quite a few I have. I would like to start a review of their scents in three words or less...here goes mine!

Green tea lemongrass-weak, blah, lemony

Rainwater - lily, fresh, spring

Cool citrus basil - soapy, floral, lemony

Apple harvest - fall, spice, true

Brandied pears - sweet, weird, oaky

Chardonnay - fake, grapey, ugh

Beach linen - cotton, fresh, clean

Pecan pie - weird, weak, nutty

Vanilla hazelnut - nutella meets vanilla!

Violet lime - sweet, strong floral

Rosemary - resinous, woodsy, heavy

Scotch pine - fresh, resinous

Lavender - nice, powdery, mixer

Lime cooler - blah, fake sweet

Lemon verbena - lemony pledge, herbal

Coffee - chocolate, rich

Chocolate - fake fudge

Pumpkin pie - true, rich, spicy

Cranberry marmalade - berries, orange, nice

Pomegranate cider - weird, fruit

Sea mist - cheap, rose

Hawaiian breeze - tropical, heavy, ugh

Cinnamon stick - spicy, clove, rich

Grapefruit mangosteen - fresh, bright sweet

Yellow rose - true, delicate, herbal

Caribbean teakwood - rich, woodsy, smooth

Baby powder - true, sweet fresh

Tuscan melon apricot - summer, sweet, honey

Black raspberry vanilla - fake sweet horrible

Honeydew melon - fake sweet horrible

Very vanilla - sweet strong

Frankincense myrrh - aftershave heavy musky

White tea - jasmine, citronella, herbal

Basil herb - fresh, parsley, spring

This is all I can think off for now. I am curious to see thoughts on other cs fragrances I haven't tried.

Agreed. I read the fine print and some require you to put a link to say stockphoto below the image. Other restrictions limit you to what type of place/business medium you can use it for.

Yes you cannot take random images from internet. This also includes images from the frageance supplier. No matter what they tell you. In my case I couldn't find several obscure frag photos so I took them from my frag supplier. The other remainder - vast majority were either from my camera or from microsoft free clipart website. I found another free clip art website as well. They offer free and paid. Just be really careful. It is scary the idea of getty using web bots or whatever to search them out. But I guess it is so serious it is lota of recenue loss. Scary part is the fines - like 1000 per photo. Good luck.

True moonshine. I think getty since they have a whole dept must have plenty of fodder to work with so to speak. So you never know. Hopefully your website pics are good. I am sure they are but it is always better to be safe than sorry! I cannot imagine what happened to blissstreet. That is unbelievable that people would use another soap pic as of they had made and were selling thst exact soap!

I haven't used ng but have eyed their fragrances for some time. I found additional on microsoft and also there is a stock photo xchnge website. They have paid and free. I actually ended buying a couple paid ones bc they were less than $5 each. I will check out dreamtime down the road. Thanks for that site.

Thank you marcuset for your kind words!

Btw those images - ended up being 8 in total, are all fixed and removed. Even though candle co ended up saying "my discretion", I don't think it would stand up too well.

ChrisR, thank you for pointing out that I am wearing the red letter, so to speak. It is wrong by my own ommission. But I thought if I had done it maybe that there was someone else on this board who had used the candle supplier images. Maybe I am mistaken and it is just me. But either way, live and learn and most importantly, change.

I do feel bad which is why I am remedying it this weekend. Maybe no one else on this board has used images from the supplier they use. The other day when I found out, I emailed the candle co and asked them about their images if I could use them. In my email today they didn't say yesor no. They said that they get the images from their supplier and cannot comment on their copyright status. But thst I should use my own discretion. I am still not going to use them.

I have a website with frag descriptions. Under each frag there is a complimentary pic. Most of my pics I got from microsoft clipart. But I had a hard time finding some, so I would take the image from the candle fragrance supplier. I assumed that if I bought say lavender fo from say lonestar, that I could use lonestar's lavender fo image. I did this for at least 10 frag description pics. The rest of my pics of my product etc, I personally took.

Getty is some huge image licensing company that has a whole dept searching out unauthorised images via software "robots". Apparently this is not just limited to getty. When they find an unauthorised image they send scary letters with 1,000 fines per image. Usually these images are worth say $20. But they tack on all these infringement fees. Even if you take it off immediately etc they do not care.

Lonestar might have had permission to use the lavender image, but it doesn't automatically transfer to us. The problem with copyright issues is the laws are a little antiquated compared to our digital advancements. But they say theft is still theft.

I am so disturbed about this, I took down my images from the candle companies and am replacing them all. There are reputable websites out there that give free and paid images. Obviously I am going with free. Also, they consider serious offenders those who use 10 or more. But they still target people who have used only 1-2. And they are even expanding their search to personal blogs. How will that work with pinterest? I am not sure how pinterest works, but don't you pin up images etc that you like?

What does dpg stand for and is it something that is easily purchased? Also why jojoba?

Does anyone know what carrier oil the fo companies use? Perhaps castor?

Why are they so expensive?? In my quest for beer candles their fos are priced at $30/lb. I am accustomed to paying anywhere btw $16-$19/lb.

I agree. I met with the brewer. I negged the grains in the wax. Am looking now at making prototype beer candles. E.g. India Pale Ale, say 80% beer fo, 10% pine, 5% citrus and 5% floral. Not sure how they'll smell. He wants to do a similar thing with pumpkin ale, stout etc. I am looking for good beer fragrance on the fragrance board. Someone said candles and supplies is the most drafty. I wanted to avois coors type fo. The

The brewer might have a fit! I would too if I were a brewer.

Thanks!

I have a meeting with a brewery that approached me. They want their hops in my candles. Either oil form, beer fragrance, or dry hops in the actual container candle on side for presentation. Are embeds of dry herbs possible? I would think it woukd mess up wick!

I had a brewery approach me to make these. Any beer fo suggestions? I wanted more of a draft vs coors lite. Save on scents has a coors lite one. Anyone tried ng beer? To make ipa I was thinking of adding a dash of citrus and floral to the basic beer fo. Or pumpkin dash to make a pumpkin ale type. Any advice, I would really appreciate it!

You really can't go wrong with any but I love

Grapefruit mangosteen

Lemon verbena

Beach linens

Rosemary - more for fall

Rainwater

I have really been trying to slim down too but then I add an extra! Including seasonal I have 30. But fortunately five of these are blends of each other. So I have lavender and linens as separate fragrances. But then I offer it as a blend. It is nice to get three fragrances out of two oils so to speak! Especially since I buy those big 5 lb containers.

So does the inside insert come out so I could put it on scale to weigh wax? Also what are your typical batch sizes? Right now I use old fashioned metal pitchers. Two at once, and they hold up to four lbs each. But I personally fill them up to three lbs. So one run I can make six lbs, two different fragrances. Is it easy to clean?

I agree with rctfvr. For wholesale I personally do 2 times cost for wholesale. But my area has had a tougher time with economy. With all my pricing though I do factor in a percent labour charge on top of the wholesale markup. So the 2 x is really somewhat higher.

Plus the flash points on wax is quite high. It is not like someone would heat up wax, let it smoke, and keep heating it. Plus when you have a flash pt of a fo say that is 118 degrees, this is at its full concentration. Not when it is being added at say a 6% load to wax. Isn't anything dangerous to a certain point? You have come to the right place. Members on this forum are amazing. I personally have learned and continue to learn so much. Btw since I sell I also carry product liability ins. It makes me sleep better at night. Like Chris said, wicking is probably the biggest thing.

So we uad a florida cold snap. I have never poured and cooled candles when it was this cold. My garage where i work is in the low 50s. At this cooling temp i had the biggest craters ever. I couldn't believe it. There is definitely a relationship. I had to use my heat gun several times to fix these.

So i forwarded this link (new direction) to her to point it out as a comparison tool. Maybe she'll look into it. It still might not compare to doterra though. After all, doterra are only the purest oils, harvested by vestal virgins, under the waxing moon prior to the stroke of midnight.

I totally agree with you that 40 is insane. I know I bought an oz of some eo a while back for $15 or so for my floor steamer. She is this holistic doc who totally believes do terra. She makes it into drinks and tonics for her patients etc and told me that all other eos are not good. I am not into holistic things or eos - although they do smell good. But there is no talking out of it with her. I already talked with her about increasing concentrations or blending it with a fo. What does one do? I got the impression from her that all other eos were adulterated and not suitable. I find it hard to believe. Oh, and to add insult to injury, the 40/oz is her wholesale pricing. Though some are in the 30 something range.